petey23 Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 I don't agree that those numbers compare to Millers. .932 vs .950. 6 shutouts compared to 10. 1.75 GAA to 1.32. This is my point. Lot's of goalies have had great years but Miller's numbers are so outrageous they almost seem fake. WCHA/CCHA Quote
petey23 Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 The most important thing is you left out the fact that year was not a fluke. Following season he followed up with a 1.77 and a .936. Year before Hobey he 1.53 and a .932. Then look at the stellar career he has had in the NHL. And left after 3rd season and didn't make NHL for 2-3 years as a full timer.....are you reading this Zane? Wilcox can ignore this post. Quote
keikla Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 Okay, here's a simple question: If it was between Ryan Miller and Johnny Gaudreau this year, who wins? I say it would be Gaudreau by a mile, with Miller a distant second and whomever else (doesn't really matter, does it?) third. And it's because Johnny Hockey plays on the East Coast in a major media market and Miller plays in the Midwest in a much smaller media market (East Lansing, MI). And because goaltenders generally get overlooked for these awards (only two goaltenders have ever won the Hobey), while forwards are usually favored too much. Unless of course you play in a place like North Dakota, in which case your resume is somehow just not up to par. That's why I'm glad they finally came up with the Mike Richter award. Even amazing goalies frequently don't make the Hobey hattrick. And post-Miller, the standard set for a goalie winning it is so ridiculously high, no one will. Quote
Walsh Hall Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 I'm a huge homer, but you can't argue with Miller's numbers. He was miles ahead of the next goalie. While Panzer had a nice lead in total points, he was 3rd in points per game. Starting in Millers' year (2001) 2 of the 14 winners are from the East. Hardly an East Coast bias. Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 And left after 3rd season and didn't make NHL for 2-3 years as a full timer.....are you reading this Zane? Wilcox can ignore this post. Common. Quote
burd Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Can u guys take the rodent back to the other post or start a new one I think Mariucci has been trying. If he's the same guy who got banned on USCHO, he's a saint on this board. But he is, after all, a gopher fan, so you can only expect so much. Quote
Fetch Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 Yeah I'm kinda freaked out how polite he was - actually he is one of the only goof fan I might consider sitting near unless he thinks every time they score he is on stage at the national spelling bee practicing how to spell the state he is from Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Yeah I'm kinda freaked out how polite he was - actually he is one of the only goof fan I might consider sitting near unless he thinks every time they score he is on stage at the national spelling bee practicing how to spell the state he is from Manysohta! yah you betcha. Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 I'm a huge homer, but you can't argue with Miller's numbers. He was miles ahead of the next goalie. While Panzer had a nice lead in total points, he was 3rd in points per game. Starting in Millers' year (2001) 2 of the 14 winners are from the East. Hardly an East Coast bias. Yes, you can argue with his numbers, based on the fact he was in a weaker league than Panzer and he had a defense-first system in front of him (I know some people think that doesn't matter, but I think it does). Also, as others have pointed out on here, there are other goaltenders since 2001 that have put up great numbers as well. The idea that Ryan Miller is somehow untouchable just doesn't make sense when you look at all the stats. And it's more than East Coast vs. Midwest, it's also Big School vs. Small School and that is one reason why Panzer was screwed out of the Hobey in 2001. And after 2001, you saw players from smaller schools and/or players that didn't play in big media markets win the award. Coincidence or a result of backlash from the 2001 decision (and some of the decisions made before that)? I guess that is open for debate, as is the relevancy of the Hobey Baker award itself. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Okay, here's a simple question: If it was between Ryan Miller and Johnny Gaudreau this year, who wins? Chuck Norris. 1 Quote
Fetch Posted April 23, 2014 Author Posted April 23, 2014 Now I hate to see this end here - can someone put this info in a player what ncaa team then what pro team now I'd like to print it out & save it & maybe research some of the player's It could take me along time to type that out one finger at a time Quote
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