BeazSioux Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 If Minnesota wins the Final Five and manage to lock up the #1 seed in the West, what are the chances of UND also going to the West as a #3 seed. Or would Duluth or Denver get the nod? No need to worry about that bud ; ) Quote
Blackheart Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Sioux are #4 in Pairwise right now! Unreal! Quote
ringneck28 Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Jim, I know the Sioux are a lock for the tournament, but what are the chances of us getting a 1 or 2 now.? Quote
Blackheart Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 #4 in the Pairwise now...a win tomorrow would go a long way to staying in the West... Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Jim, I know the Sioux are a lock for the tournament, but what are the chances of us getting a 1 or 2 now.? I'm not an expert like Jim, but it looks like UND will be a 1 if they win on Saturday and either a 2 or 3 if they lose. Quote
LeftyZL Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 I'm not an expert like Jim, but it looks like UND will be a 1 if they win on Saturday and either a 2 or 3 if they lose. Obviously, a lot can happen tomorrow. But if the Sioux win, it looks like they are a 1 seed and stay close to home. If they lose, I would bet that they get shipped out east depending how the other games pan out. Quote
WiSioux Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Would we rather win, be a #1 and get put in The Cities with MN... Or become a #2 and be sent elsewhere. Also.... Is St Paul the west or Midwest regional? Quote
brianvf Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Sioux will end up in the cities, watch. I would guess that is the most probable result now. Not sure if I would want to play the Gophers again so quickly after tonight's result. I would rather beat them in the regionals instead of the F5... Quote
Blackheart Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 I would guess that is the most probable result now. Not sure if I would want to play the Gophers again so quickly after tonight's result. I would rather beat them in the regionals instead of the F5... True, but lets just beat them whenever we run into them...there's no guarantee the Sioux or Gofers would win their first regional games anyway... 1 Quote
siouxnami Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 I am not doing the stochastic modeling, but... I don't think we can flip BC or Mich, but a win likely leaves us as #3 overall. That would put us as the #1 in West with Minnesota gaurenteed to be there as a 2 or 3 seed. If the Sioux lose, I have no idea, but probably a 2 seed likely not in Minnesota. Quote
SIOUXNDFAN Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 I am not doing the stochastic modeling, but... I don't think we can flip BC or Mich, but a win likely leaves us as #3 overall. That would put us as the #1 in West with Minnesota gaurenteed to be there as a 2 or 3 seed. If the Sioux lose, I have no idea, but probably a 2 seed likely not in Minnesota. So in summary, win tonight we are number one seed in St Paul regional, lose and go to Green Bay Regional? Quote
ringneck28 Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 So in summary, win tonight we are number one seed in St Paul regional, lose and go to Green Bay Regional? Either way we are in the tourney baby!8! Oops typo or was it;) Quote
The Sicatoka Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Lose tonight. Get sent as a #2 (5-8 PWR) to Michigan's regional Then resolve what happened last year in St. Paul against the ugly hats. Quote
rochsioux Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 The Sioux could lose tonight and still get a #1 seed. For that to happen we would need these outcomes: Hockey East Championship game: Boston College defeats Maine. ECAC Championship game: Harvard defeats Union. ECAC Consolation game: Cornell defeats Colgate. CCHA Championship game: Western Michigan defeats Michigan. CCHA Consolation game: Miami defeats Bowling Green. Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Air Force defeats RIT. Denver would be 3 and UND 4. If UND wins tonight with the results the same in the other conferences then UND would be 3 and Denver would fall all the way to 11. Crazy year. Quote
7NationalTitles Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Say for instance the Sioux win tonight and finish #4 and the Gophers finish #8 or #9. Would they really send the Sioux to St. Paul? Because if brackets match up, then #4 should play #5 if they both win first game and #1 (BC) should play #8/#9 winner. It seems to me like you lose a lot of bracket integrity by placing the #4 team with the #8/#9 teams. And hasn't the Committee harped on bracket integrity the past few years where the overall #1 seed should play the #8/#9 winner. Last year was pure bracket integrity but if the Sioux go to St. Paul in this scenario, you lose bracket integrity across the spectrum. I haven't heard this scenario discussed yet. Quote
fargosioux Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Say for instance the Sioux win tonight and finish #4 and the Gophers finish #8 or #9. Would they really send the Sioux to St. Paul? Because if brackets match up, then #4 should play #5 if they both win first game and #1 (BC) should play #8/#9 winner. It seems to me like you lose a lot of bracket integrity by placing the #4 team with the #8/#9 teams. And hasn't the Committee harped on bracket integrity the past few years where the overall #1 seed should play the #8/#9 winner. Last year was pure bracket integrity but if the Sioux go to St. Paul in this scenario, you lose bracket integrity across the spectrum. I haven't heard this scenario discussed yet. I was thinking the same exact thing. I think there's a chance they would move #2 Michigan to St. Paul for more bracket integrity. I think we could see UND & Denver battling it out in Green Bay again, even if the Sioux win tonight. Quote
siouxweet Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 my thought is they would send und to st. paul if they are the fourth seed as they wouyld be the lowest 1 seed and if you have a rule that a host school has to play at that site, bracket integrety sometimes will have to go out the window. bc and michigan would prob be protected from playing in st paul being they are two highest seeds. Quote
ihatethegophers Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 It seems like over the years the committee cares little about bracket integrity compared to attendance. They want Gophers and Sioux in St. Paul because it will make them the most money. Quote
AKSioux Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Well the they woul really want to be making money they would put Mn and ND in different brackets. Mn can fill the X at least for one game. ( okay that was cheap and I shouldn't have said it). But I think UND can do a good job of filling any of the arenas. Quote
ringneck28 Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 I can't go this year, but I know Sioux hockey travels well. Minnesota, not so much. Quote
ringneck28 Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 The Sioux could lose tonight and still get a #1 seed. For that to happen we would need these outcomes: Hockey East Championship game: Boston College defeats Maine. ECAC Championship game: Harvard defeats Union. ECAC Consolation game: Cornell defeats Colgate. CCHA Championship game: Western Michigan defeats Michigan. CCHA Consolation game: Miami defeats Bowling Green. Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Air Force defeats RIT. Denver would be 3 and UND 4. If UND wins tonight with the results the same in the other conferences then UND would be 3 and Denver would fall all the way to 11. Crazy year. Miami defeats Bowling Green 4-1 that is one down for the good guys. Quote
ihatethegophers Posted March 17, 2012 Posted March 17, 2012 Cornell is ahead of Colgate 3-0 after 2 periods. Coming back from a 3-0 deficit rarely happens so i'd say Cornell will win. Quote
dagies Posted March 19, 2012 Posted March 19, 2012 Question for Jim Dahl, or perhaps other PWR experts. I'm not that familiar with the PWR, I generally wait until selection Sunday to find things out. That said, I'm kind of curious....how does a team go from perhaps not making the tournament, and within 7 games land a #1 seed? If I recall, going into the Mankato series the Sioux could conceivably be left out of the tournament. They needed to sweep Mankato and their first round playoff series to give themselves a comfortable chance, and then 3 games later they move from there to a #1 seed. I'm not looking for a highly technical explanation, but a more general one based on how the PWR works. It seems like it should be much more difficult than that (not saying it's not difficult to win those last 7 games, especially the Final Five). Anyway, happy to learn... Quote
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