Conference Realignments - Take 2

[SiouxVolley]

4 hours ago, Hammersmith said:

Nope, no more details because the EWU board is using the same source. They link to the same tweet from the scout, and a news article about the same stadium plans. So far, everything comes back to that same questionable tweet.

CWU is growing ever larger because UW and WWU have enrollment limits and Evergreen St is in free fall because parent don’t want to send their kids to a SJW camp.

https://www.yakimaherald.com/news/education/record-freshman-streak-ends-but-central-washington-university-keeps-growing/article_f8fa9960-bc8e-11e8-924b-df3ddc8b32ab.html

CWU either needs to go back to NAIA or go up to DI to save football.  DII just doesn’t have schools on the west coast to support it.  Guess that’s why CWU is putting money in their football stadium because it will be dropped as a sport.  The only reason that EWU got in the Sky earlier was because it is near Spokane where tons of Griz and Vandals live.  EWU and CWU are basically the same except for location.

No use talking to you as you believe NDSU and Bresciani that NDSU will be at 18,000 soon.  That’s the only change that you foresee.

 

[bison73]

On 9/21/2018 at 2:32 PM, The Sicatoka said:

I got in trouble once for pointing that out.
What's the difference if you play conference games in MT, CO, ID, WA and non-conference in IA, NE, ND, SD or vice versa. 
Either way you had to travel to all of them. 

I thought that myself. So what was the REAL reason for the move?

[SiouxVolley]

14 minutes ago, bison73 said:

I thought that myself. So what was the REAL reason for the move?

Schools want to align with their academic peers.  Not WIU, or even Missouri St, UNI, SIU, Ind St etc.  

The only schools that properly academically align with UND and NDSU are further west.  MWC and Big 12 schools are steps above the leagues like the Summit and Big Sky.

[SWSiouxMN]

20 minutes ago, bison73 said:

I thought that myself. So what was the REAL reason for the move?

 It did opened the door to do something else in addition. 

[UNDvince97-01]

I have been to Ellensburg, Washington. We played there.

We even stuck around for "Rodeo Days" and went to the rodeo.

After seeing the community firsthand, I have a very hard time believing Ellensburg can financially support a Division 1 move. 

In fact, I would be shocked if they did any time soon.

[SiouxVolley]

6 hours ago, UNDvince97-01 said:

I have been to Ellensburg, Washington. We played there.

We even stuck around for "Rodeo Days" and went to the rodeo.

After seeing the community firsthand, I have a very hard time believing Ellensburg can financially support a Division 1 move. 

In fact, I would be shocked if they did any time soon.

That was said here by many about Vermillion and Brookings, but they have never fessed up that they were wrong.

CWU wants more Seattle metro kids and DI is one way to get more awareness.

[bison73]

6 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

That was said here by many about Vermillion and Brookings, but they have never fessed up that they were wrong.

CWU wants more Seattle metro kids and DI is one way to get more awareness.

Is there any teams in the FCS that you Havent predicted to move up?

[UNDBIZ]

8 hours ago, bison73 said:

Is there any teams in the FCS that you Havent predicted to move up?

Mississippi Valley State??

[SiouxVolley]

11 hours ago, bison73 said:

Is there any teams in the FCS that you Havent predicted to move up?

There are about 125 schools in FCS.  About 25 should consider FBS based on their academics and monetary situation.  Of the 129 FBS schools, 20 of them have moved up from FCS in the last 20 years, so the 25 move up candidates are entirely reasonable.  But you as a stupid troll don’t even seem to know that CWU is a DII school.   But everything will always stay the same according to you.

[UNDvince97-01]

On 9/26/2018 at 5:28 PM, SiouxVolley said:

That was said here by many about Vermillion and Brookings, but they have never fessed up that they were wrong.

CWU wants more Seattle metro kids and DI is one way to get more awareness.

Not the same thing in my opinion.

SDSU and USD are the flagships of South Dakota.

UND is the flagship of North Dakota.....and there's a great ag school in Fargo.

Apples and oranges relative to CWU (UW WSU etc). Plus the 4 Dakota's proximity to each other and history together make it much different.

[SiouxVolley]

5 hours ago, UNDvince97-01 said:

Not the same thing in my opinion.

SDSU and USD are the flagships of South Dakota.

UND is the flagship of North Dakota.....and there's a great ag school in Fargo.

Apples and oranges relative to CWU (UW WSU etc). Plus the 4 Dakota's proximity to each other and history together make it much different.

EWU, CWU, and WWU were all normal schools originally.  WWU has the higher endowment, but has dropped fb.  EWU and CWU are both low endowment schools with less than $30 million.  EWU only got into the Big Sky as the Sky schools wanted back into Spokane after Gonzaga left, so they settled for a cheap imitation.  Ideally, those three should have closer cooperation than the Dakota 4, but they haven’t sticked together for the last 30 years.

DII fb on the west coast is nearly dead, so that leaves CWU in a major athletic quandary.  CWU is just as capable as EWU financially, but the cities in Central Washington are more widespread, like Wenatchee, Yakima and many other JC’s in the central part that CWU has branches at.  For CWU, it’s either drop fb, or move up to FCS.  Spending the little endowment money they have on FB stadium improvements is a resounding yes answer for an FCS direction.

[SiouxVolley]

LIU-Brooklyn and LIU-Post have announced their two athletic programs are merging.  Brooklyn was DI and CW Post was DII.  This means there will be one more FCS program as Post has DII fb that will move up.  Brooklyn previously announced that WIH would be started.  The combined programs can start men’s ice hockey and play in the renovated smaller Nassau County Coliseum.

https://liupostpioneers.com/news/2018/10/2/baseball-liu-announces-unification-into-one-liu-division-i-program.aspx

Edit:

https://www.newsday.com/sports/college/liu-post-liu-brooklyn-1.21416636

So the Brooklyn campus keeps M&W basketball, W volleyball, W ice hockey, W water polo, W bowling, M&W track and field, W fencing, W swimming, softball.  

The suburban Post campus will be upgraded to DI for football, M&W lacrosse, M&W soccer, baseball, W field hockey, W rugby, W rowing, W tennis, W equestrian, M wrestling.

LIU will drop duplicate M&W basketball, baseball, M&W soccer, softball, and W lacrosse.  With all those drops, men’s ice hockey at the Post campus should easily be affordable.

There were rumors that LIU-Post would by itself go DI, but this is much more affordable.

[SiouxVolley]

Just in the few weeks that Kolpack wrote his article about the dearth of DII teams going FCS, two more have committed:  Merrimack and LIU.  You can throw CWU in there eventually and UNA lost to DII UWF, which has DI and FCS dreams even though its a new DII fb program.  

http://www.inforum.com/sports/football/4500024-kolpack-north-alabama-fcs-getting-much-needed-quality-program

But our local bison trolls don’t get on Kolpack for not knowing &*** but they never get on their cheerleader base for wearing Pom-poms, skirts and a pig’s nose.  Fake news is Forum’s and NDSU’s way of keeping North Dakotans uninformed about the sports scene.

[SiouxVolley]

Another ignorant article from the Forum and McFeely. 

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/football/4512221-small-school-elon-theres-no-more-crying-football

Elon is a prestigious school where the average incoming student has more than a 4.0 average and nearly a 30 ACT.  It joined the CAA because it wanted its name in front of more Northeasterners, who make up more than 50% of the students.  It didn’t join the Southern Conference because too many of it’s schools like Furman, Wofford, Sanford, Mercer, Citadel etc are truly small private schools that mostly recruit kids from their backyards.  It wanted more educated kids that have parents that can afford their tuition.  Not trying to be offensive or anything, but Elon’s student body is 12% Jewish, and they are known to value education dearly.

Elon and Campbell are much more highly looked upon schools in NC that a ND reporter with zero knowledge would ever know.

[Gothmog]

22 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Another ignorant article from the Forum and McFeely. 

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/football/4512221-small-school-elon-theres-no-more-crying-football

Elon is a prestigious school where the average incoming student has more than a 4.0 average and nearly a 30 ACT.  It joined the CAA because it wanted its name in front of more Northeasterners, who make up more than 50% of the students.  It didn’t join the Southern Conference because too many of it’s schools like Furman, Wofford, Sanford, Mercer, Citadel etc are truly small private schools that mostly recruit kids from their backyards.  It wanted more educated kids that have parents that can afford their tuition.  Not trying to be offensive or anything, but Elon’s student body is 12% Jewish, and they are known to value education dearly.

Elon and Campbell are much more highly looked upon schools in NC that a ND reporter with zero knowledge would ever know.

What are you talking about? McFeely's article is about Elon's history of success, or lack of it, on the football field. He doesn't say a thing about Elon's academic standing in North Carolina, or its reasons for moving to FCS twenty years ago. 

All McFeely is saying is that Elon hasn't been particularly successful in D1 FCS football since moving up, and that their win over JMU is a breakthrough for them. Do you dispute that?

 

 

[Gothmog]

On 10/7/2018 at 4:22 PM, SiouxVolley said:

Just in the few weeks that Kolpack wrote his article about the dearth of DII teams going FCS, two more have committed:  Merrimack and LIU.  You can throw CWU in there eventually and UNA lost to DII UWF, which has DI and FCS dreams even though its a new DII fb program.  

http://www.inforum.com/sports/football/4500024-kolpack-north-alabama-fcs-getting-much-needed-quality-program

But our local bison trolls don’t get on Kolpack for not knowing &*** but they never get on their cheerleader base for wearing Pom-poms, skirts and a pig’s nose.  Fake news is Forum’s and NDSU’s way of keeping North Dakotans uninformed about the sports scene.

Read the article again. It's Klieman who says that he wishes more quality schools like UNA would move up, not Kolpack. Are you suggesting that Klieman doesn't know &*** about FCS football? In any case, neither of them says anything at all about a general lack of schools, such as those you mention, moving up.

This article is about the quality of UNA's football program and its likely future success in FCS. It has nothing to do with Merrimack, LIU, or Central Washington.

 

[JohnboyND7]

Elon has many jewish kids?

Can somebody say Shemitah or Jubilee?!?!?!?!?!?!

[SiouxVolley]

3 hours ago, Gothmog said:

Read the article again. It's Klieman who says that he wishes more quality schools like UNA would move up, not Kolpack. Are you suggesting that Klieman doesn't know &*** about FCS football? In any case, neither of them says anything at all about a general lack of schools, such as those you mention, moving up.

This article is about the quality of UNA's football program and its likely future success in FCS. It has nothing to do with Merrimack, LIU, or Central Washington.

 

Am suggesting that that article was an out and out spin job by the bison handlers at the forum.  UNA was presented as a glamorous FCS move up and then losing to DII startup UWF is not reported.  Klieman doesn’t keep track of all the FCS teams except the ones on his schedule so he gives bonus points to MVFC schools and Montana for previous reputation.  The FCS coaches poll is an outright abortion because they don’t care about FCS itself.

[SiouxVolley]

2 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Elon has many jewish kids?

Can somebody say Shemitah or Jubilee?!?!?!?!?!?!

Most Northeastern Jewish  kids are mostly far too secular to understand.  Orthodox or Messianic Jews mostly do not send their kids to schools that denigrate faith like Elon professors do.

Again, absolute cluelessness from you.

But yet again the stock market crashes around the time of the Hebrew New Year.  People like you will never make the connection.

[SWSiouxMN]

sigh

https://www.yankton.net/community/article_67492890-ccfd-11e8-b4e5-77d7b92bc0f0.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

Kill it, Kill it with fire. 

[Gothmog]

2 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Am suggesting that that article was an out and out spin job by the bison handlers at the forum.  UNA was presented as a glamorous FCS move up and then losing to DII startup UWF is not reported.  Klieman doesn’t keep track of all the FCS teams except the ones on his schedule so he gives bonus points to MVFC schools and Montana for previous reputation.  The FCS coaches poll is an outright abortion because they don’t care about FCS itself.

Look at the date of the story. It's 3 weeks before UNA lost to West Florida.

[SiouxVolley]

33 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

Look at the date of the story. It's 3 weeks before UNA lost to West Florida.

Really.  Like the Forum issues retractions to their B. S?

It’s the same ol’ song and dance from the Foolem and bizen faithfull as when they played DII Ferris St and justified the hell out of it.

[SiouxVolley]

2 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

sigh

https://www.yankton.net/community/article_67492890-ccfd-11e8-b4e5-77d7b92bc0f0.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

Kill it, Kill it with fire. 

USD, SDSU and NDSU are too fearful of killing it because it would dry up Sanford’s vaunted money trail. 

Leave it to UND, DU and Omaha to do the mercy killing.  Augie can start hockey in the WCHA.

[Cratter]

Augustana is one step closer to Division 1. They'll be in the Summit soon.

[Gothmog]

6 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Really.  Like the Forum issues retractions to their B. S?

It’s the same ol’ song and dance from the Foolem and bizen faithfull as when they played DII Ferris St and justified the hell out of it.

What was there to retract?  Klieman's opinion expressed in that story may or may not turn out to have been correct. In any case, UNA's losing one game, albeit to a DII school,  doesn't change anything, and certainly does not require a retraction three weeks after the original story.