Conference Realignments - Take 2

[SWSiouxMN]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

wouldn't pioneer football still be better than the nsic?

what are the main differences bt u of sioux falls and augie...academic and athletically speaking.

My impression is that Augie was the better academic school (but could be wrong on this)

FB: USF

BB: Augie

[SWSiouxMN]

Summit should be working the phones in Lac Cruces. That would be the dream 10th school

[SiouxVolley]

Don’t see USD and SDSU propping up a DI Augustana in Sioux Falls.  The DI transition will take 5 years, so the Summit would not have a official new team for five years.

With Sioux Falls having great hockey attendance for their USHL team (blows out USD and SDSU mbb attendance) Sanford should offer a hockey endowment for Augustana.  The WCHA would take them, and the NCHC is possible after a few years.  But mbb appears to be what Sanford wants.  Probably would rename the Augie as Sanford - similar to Stanford and Samford but actually unique.  

[SIOUXFAN97]

at what point do either mankato or duluth do the "omaha" and drop football and go d1 across the board and join the summit.

[SiouxVolley]

15 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

at what point do either mankato or duluth do the "omaha" and drop football and go d1 across the board and join the summit.

Three years ago if it was to happen.  A Minnie school now has the same problem as Augie:  don’t see any of the Dakota wanting a “home” team taking Minnesota recruits.  A move up now does nothing for the Summit for five years.  If St Thomas was interested, that would have been different, but they aren’t and would take 8 years even to be able as their DIII right now.

[Cratter]

2 hours ago, FargoBison said:

It's one thing giving $10-20 million to stick your name on a building of a flagship state university, it is something else to give a small private school $100 million to move up a division. 

 Five twenty mil donations in the town they have the biggest connection in. 

[cberkas]

3 hours ago, FargoBison said:

Why would Sanford give Augie $100 million? Are they going to rename the school Sanford University? 

Sounds like what Providence did to University of Great Falls, now called University of Providence.

[SiouxVolley]

8 minutes ago, cberkas said:

Sounds like what Providence did to University of Great Falls, now called University of Providence.

Guess Sanford is going to found the Sisters of Sanford as the Sisters of Providence founded the U of Great Falls and St Joseph’s Hospital which both have Providence as part of their name now.

[SiouxVolley]

So Gonzaga made it official, as they are staying in the WCC for next year.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2018/apr/02/gonzaga-athletic-director-mike-roth-says-zags-stay/#/0

That $7 million that the Zags earned from their Final Four run seems to be a big driver for them to stay.  It runs out in four more years, so they need another run near the end of that.

[bincitysioux]

I truly can't wait.  Guaranteed games against Augustana were the reason I wanted UND to move to DI back in 2002.  I sure hope Mankato gets on board next............... 

[SiouxVolley]

More on Gonzaga:

https://www.slipperstillfits.com/2018/4/3/17191194/gonzaga-mountain-west-conference-expansion-west-coast-conference-mike-roth

[UND08]

18 hours ago, bincitysioux said:

I truly can't wait.  Guaranteed games against Augustana were the reason I wanted UND to move to DI back in 2002.  I sure hope Mankato gets on board next............... 

Yep...a potentially basketball focused school with a healthy budget in a good sports town within easy traveling distance sounds absolutely terrible.  I'm sure the UNI's of the world said the same thing back in the early 2000s when NDSU and SDSU moved into the Gateway/MVFC for football...

I get that adding Augie to the Summit does nothing the automatic bid status of the conference in the "NOW" context...but it's within the conference footprint in a growing city with a potential healthy endowment.  If they do things right, they could offer great diversity to the Dakota 4 (being basketball/Olympic-centric)...and could easily become a power in the league.

[SIOUXFAN97]

if the summit HAD to take an old NCC member my ranking is

st.cloud

mankato

morningside

augie

[UNDBIZ]

Augie is a small, mediocre school with a tiny endowment.  I was under the impression they're the type of school UND and the other Dakotas moved to D1 to get away from.  You are who you associate with.

[SIOUXFAN97]

who was moringside's travel partner in the ole ncc days?

 

[UND1983]

9 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

who was moringside's travel partner in the ole ncc days?

 

Omaha?

[SiouxVolley]

Any new Summit school can not be a DII move up as that would be an enormous risk, as they take at least five years. 

Have to an existing DI school(s):  UMKC, UNC, Chicago St, E Illinois, Drake, UNI, Loyola-Chicago, UWGB, NMSU, UVU etc.  And most of those have  zero chance of moving down or up.

Unless the Summit goes west:   Montana, Mt St, Weber St, Idaho and makes fb a sport.

And Mbb scheduling is going to be even worse, as most conferences will require 20 conference games.  The WCC is one of the few that will go to 16 because of Gonzaga’s demands.  Maybe a interlocking schedule with the dregs of the WCC?

[SIOUXFAN97]

is Seattle "happy" with where they are?

[SiouxVolley]

21 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

is Seattle "happy" with where they are?

No.  They have stated a desire to get in the WCC ever since they moved back up.  Pacific and BYU go in over them.  And they have a play at their tiny campus gym until Key Arena is made over so getting out is unlikely for several year.

The Summit is considered a black hole to most schools because it doesn’t have potential students, athletes, or current alumna.  It defeats the purpose of being DI and a big reason UMKC and Oakland and IUPUI left.   No self respecting school would want to be part of it unless that is also true of it (the Montana’s, N Idaho, Wyoming if it had another school further north).

[SiouxVolley]

Laughable fake news:

http://thespun.com/mountain-west/mountain-west-expansion-gonzaga-byu

So this author adds two more schools that the MWC should add:  Western Kentucky and NDSU.  

Kids seem so clueless these days.

[SWSiouxMN]

Augie has a new AD, it is Morton. 

 

[jacksfan29]

On 4/3/2018 at 4:04 PM, SiouxVolley said:

No.  They have stated a desire to get in the WCC ever since they moved back up.  Pacific and BYU go in over them.  And they have a play at their tiny campus gym until Key Arena is made over so getting out is unlikely for several year.

The Summit is considered a black hole to most schools because it doesn’t have potential students, athletes, or current alumna.  It defeats the purpose of being DI and a big reason UMKC and Oakland and IUPUI left.   No self respecting school would want to be part of it unless that is also true of it (the Montana’s, N Idaho, Wyoming if it had another school further north).

UMKC left ( and it is mentioned in the below article) because they felt getting to the NCAA tournament would be easier in a new WAC. Oakland wanted into the Horizon from the day they announced the move to D1. Detroit is their natural rival. They made no bones about their intention from the date they joined the Mid-Con. IUPUI wanted into the Horizon based on geography. It is the same reason IPFW want it. Entry into the Horizon places them into a bus league saving a lot of money and creating geographic rivals.

By Andrew Vaupel  – Associate Editor, Online, Kansas City Business Journal

Mar 6, 2018, 8:15am CST Updated Mar 6, 2018, 7:44am

 

The University of Missouri-Kansas City's affiliation with the Western Athletic Conference is beginning to take its toll.

According to KCUR, the university joined the WAC in 2013 primarily to give its men's basketball team a better shot at landing an automatic bid in the NCAA tournament. However, the team has managed only one winning season since joining the conference.

[SWSiouxMN]

So two questions

1) How likely is the Summit to get to 10 teams before the 18-19 season?

2) If no for number 1, how will the travel partners work? Like this?

UND-NDSU

SDSU-USD

Omaha-Denver

WIU-IPFW

ORU the lone wolf

[vlarson]

On ‎4‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 3:37 PM, UND1983 said:

Omaha?

Around 1960, the NCC consisted of 7 teams.  Morningside and USD were travel partners, along with SDSU/Augustana and UND/NDSU.  Iowa State Teachers (later State College of Iowa and UNI) was the outlier.

 

[SiouxVolley]

Doug Burgum’s example of Arizona State’s massive enrollment via online is noticeable.  ASU has decreased its % of revenue from the state down to 9%, which Burgum seems to want ND U’s to do too.    UND is much more able to add more online students than say NDSU as those online courses already exist at UND.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/education/4428436-doug-burgum-touts-outside-funding-model-north-dakota-universities

Well one of the cheapest ways to advertise is by going FBS.  Just saying.