Conference Realignments - Take 2

[SIOUXFAN97]

Great idea #106

UND withdraws from the MVFC and goes INDY 1AA...

then schedule all road games against 1A schools...ones we can win (see ndac's rough 1a opponents for example)....

then schedule all home games Pioneer League members....

 

example of a 12 game schedule

 

away-UTEP=w

home-Valpo=w

away-Wyoming=?

home-St Thomas=w

away-Missouri State=w

home-Drake=w

away-San Jose State=w

home-Butler=w

away-Bowling Green=w

home-Stetson=w

away-Hawaii=w

home-San Diego=w

10-2 9-3 or 8-4  gets you in the FCS playoffs

heads would explode in Cass County....we'd be 1.5a without paying 18 milly to do so.....

your welcome

 

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

36 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Guys, I don’t wanna abandon hockey, but I’m just saying that’s what it looks like they are doing

examples...bussing to omaha an example?

[The Sicatoka]

Miami (OH) is spending across the board. 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/miami-ohio-football-spending-nil-transfer-portal/ 

[SIOUXFAN97]

30 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Miami (OH) is spending across the board. 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/miami-ohio-football-spending-nil-transfer-portal/ 

and this is who ndac is trying to catch...good luck cass county

[SIOUXFAN97]

if big sky and summit/mvfc merged into the above 1.5a territory....und, usd, sdsu, um, msu, idaho, weber, and portland (with omaha and st thomas non fb)

if all the fb teams adopted the same scheduling formula

1. FCS opponent-Home and Home

2. FCS opponent-always Home

3.  FBS -away

4. FBS away

5. FBS away

6. conf game 1 home

7. conf game 2 away

8. conf game 3 home

9. conf game 4 away

10. conf game 5 home

11. conf game 6 away

12 conf game 7 home

 

6 home/6 away and the next 5/7

 

ex for und

1. home v yale (home and home) no payments

2. home v drake (pay them)

3. away v wyoming (pay us)

4. away v washington state (pay us)

5. away v western michigan (pay us)

6. home v usd

7. away v sdsu

8. away v montana

9. home v msu

10. away v weber

11. home v idaho

12. away v portland

[SIOUXFAN97]

Exit fee squabble may cost Utah Valley WAC tournament play - ESPN

[The Sicatoka]

Noise that the MAC may be in trouble: https://csnbbs.com/thread-1026148.html 

They (ab)used Sac St for operating capital is how it's looking now. 

If the MAC needs members I hope Armacost and Chaves are listening. And if they "need" members the entry fee should be far more reasonable. 

[Hawkster]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Noise that the MAC may be in trouble: https://csnbbs.com/thread-1026148.html 

They (ab)used Sac St for operating capital is how it's looking now. 

If the MAC needs members I hope Armacost and Chaves are listening. And if they "need" members the entry fee should be far more reasonable. 

The MAC seems about as thrilling as the prospect of Summit League football.   I would never consider the MAC a step up from the MVFC.

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 minutes ago, Hawkster said:

The MAC seems about as thrilling as the prospect of Summit League football.   I would never consider the MAC a step up from the MVFC.

If appreciable TV revenue becomes a part of the deal, then the MAC (FBS) would be a step up from the MVFC and UND should pursue. The relationship already in place with some of the schools via hockey should be entertained. Otherwise, from an on the field perspective, I agree; the MAC is essentially the same if not worse than the MVFC.

[The Sicatoka]

15 minutes ago, Hawkster said:

The MAC seems about as thrilling as the prospect of Summit League football.   I would never consider the MAC a step up from the MVFC.

  55  Toledo               
  71  Western Michigan     
  86  Ohio                 
  97  Miami-Ohio           
 115  Central Michigan     
 135  Eastern Michigan     
 141  Buffalo              
 145  Bowling Green        
 149  Northern Illinois    
 151  Akron                
 165  Kent State           
 171  Ball State           
 242  Massachusetts        
___________________________

   74  UNLV                         
  81  New Mexico           
  84  Hawai'i                    
 105  Air Force            
 127  Wyoming              
 138  Nevada               
 144  San Jose State             
___________________________

UND was 95
SDSU was 99
USD was 109 

 

[Kab]

Isn’t the Mac the conference that had Tuesday through Thursday football games

that is a definite no from attendance issues 

[SiouxHawkGuy]

6 minutes ago, Kab said:

Isn’t the Mac the conference that had Tuesday through Thursday football games

that is a definite no from attendance issues 

1 maybe 2 home games. 7-8k? on a Tuesday night, nationally televised. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 minute ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

1 maybe 2 home games. 7-8k? on a Tuesday night, nationally televised. 

dollar dogs...12k!

[The Sicatoka]

25 minutes ago, Kab said:

Isn’t the Mac the conference that had Tuesday through Thursday football games

that is a definite no from attendance issues 

Legitimate concern, but you'd likely do one home and one road weekday game per season. And they're in November exclusively. Getting a home game Tuesday the week of deer opener would be a decent trade. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timcasey/2025/11/11/how-the-mid-american-conference-and-espn-made-maction-mid-week-football-popular/ 

[fightingsioux4life]

27 minutes ago, Kab said:

Isn’t the Mac the conference that had Tuesday through Thursday football games

that is a definite no from attendance issues 

I think the MAC did that to get on television and not have to compete with the bigger schools and conferences for television exposure. Boise State did the same thing when they were building their program.

[gfhockey]

41 minutes ago, Kab said:

Isn’t the Mac the conference that had Tuesday through Thursday football games

that is a definite no from attendance issues 

Agreed no Tuesday thru Thursday games

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Agreed no Tuesday thru Thursday games

if sdac, usd, um msu idaho tsu all go 1a without us and we're playing for jv titles against wofford, incarnate words, elon, and northwestern state of georgia....a tuesday night game against toledo will look like gold....

just saying its all relative

[Kab]

2 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

if sdac, usd, um msu idaho tsu all go 1a without us and we're playing for jv titles against wofford, incarnate words, elon, and northwestern state of georgia....a tuesday night game against toledo will look like gold....

just saying its all relative

So you think all those schools move on without UND 

[Hawkster]

3 hours ago, Kab said:

Isn’t the Mac the conference that had Tuesday through Thursday football games

that is a definite no from attendance issues 

I'm not a fan of MACtion either.

[nodak651]

21 minutes ago, Hawkster said:

I'm not a fan of MACtion either.

I'm not a fan of any contract that prevents a team from broadcasting games locally if they aren't being broadcasts nationally.  Sacrificing local fans, be it through weekday games or a decrease in exposure, in exchange for a handful of national broadcasts is never worth it, imo.  The buy in from local media and games that are readily available on local TV are a large part in why the Dakota and Montana schools do so well with attendance/ticket rev/contributions.  People aren't going to attend CMU or EMU from accross the country just because they saw a random FB game on TV.  They might learn who they are, but so what?  National TV isn't worth it if the cost hurts a mostly local fan base, IMO.  

Casual fans in ND cheer for NDSU because of the success, yes, but in being on statewide TV every Saturday, they were also the most accesseble and easy to watch.  Nobody had to search in order to find the game.  I think that's hurt Gopher hockey recently, and its nice to see they are more consistently on their local Fox station now, with fewer home games televised on Big Ten Network than other Big Ten hockey schools.. despite being terrible this year, their attendence was relatively good.

Sure NDSU moving to FBS gives their program relatively more cachet, but it left a void for WDAY to fill... what if they took over the UND football broadcasts and it was UND FB that was broadcast statewide?  What if the largest media company in the state directly benefited from UND's success for a change - what would the ramifications be?  Getting back on topic, I think UND sticking with Saturday football and having broadcasts on statewide TV would be better than a MAC TV deal with a handful of broadcasts relegated to ESPN+, and the rest scattered about ESPU, ESPN2, and CBSSN, with a couple weekday games mixed in.

[SiouxHawkGuy]

1 hour ago, nodak651 said:

I'm not a fan of any contract that prevents a team from broadcasting games locally if they aren't being broadcasts nationally.  Sacrificing local fans, be it through weekday games or a decrease in exposure, in exchange for a handful of national broadcasts is never worth it, imo.  The buy in from local media and games that are readily available on local TV are a large part in why the Dakota and Montana schools do so well with attendance/ticket rev/contributions.  People aren't going to attend CMU or EMU from accross the country just because they saw a random FB game on TV.  They might learn who they are, but so what?  National TV isn't worth it if the cost hurts a mostly local fan base, IMO.  

Casual fans in ND cheer for NDSU because of the success, yes, but in being on statewide TV every Saturday, they were also the most accesseble and easy to watch.  Nobody had to search in order to find the game.  I think that's hurt Gopher hockey recently, and its nice to see they are more consistently on their local Fox station now, with fewer home games televised on Big Ten Network than other Big Ten hockey schools.. despite being terrible this year, their attendence was relatively good.

Sure NDSU moving to FBS gives their program relatively more cachet, but it left a void for WDAY to fill... what if they took over the UND football broadcasts and it was UND FB that was broadcast statewide?  What if the largest media company in the state directly benefited from UND's success for a change - what would the ramifications be?  Getting back on topic, I think UND sticking with Saturday football and having broadcasts on statewide TV would be better than a MAC TV deal with a handful of broadcasts relegated to ESPN+, and the rest scattered about ESPU, ESPN2, and CBSSN, with a couple weekday games mixed in.

Would love to see Dom Izzo have to cheer for the Fighting Hawks