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you really didn't make an argument here. Online education will always be a second-rate alternative for a few people with no good options, and provide degrees of dubious merit, while simultaneously missing the most important part of many degree programs, which is the networking.

That's another way to look at it, I guess. A glass half-empty way, per usual. Buck up and smile a little; life ain't so bad all the time. ;)

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you really didn't make an argument here. Online education will always be a second-rate alternative for a few people with no good options, and provide degrees of dubious merit, while simultaneously missing the most important part of many degree programs, which is the networking.

There are different ways to skin a cat. If they are working full time they are probably already networking. If they don't plan to move, or if they plan to stay with the same company or industry, that may be all the networking they need. And a lot of people in bricks and mortar schools don't get a lot of networking advantage from attending the school. They basically spend all of their time with a small group of people.

There are different levels of education that can be obtained through online classes. Some are poor quality and some are basically the same education that you would get in the classroom. There are online degree programs that now rank with bricks and mortar schools, most of them are from good quality bricks and mortar schools. Online doesn't necessarily have the same stigma that it did even 5 years ago. Sorry that you don't believe it, but online education is becoming an important part of higher education. I highly doubt that it will replace bricks and mortar, but it is becoming an accepted alternative.

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I think there's a small group here who think tri-college students are "illegitimate" ...................................

I think there's a LARGE group at Bisonville that think online students are "illegitimate".........................

Despite the fact that schools like North Dakota, Florida, Wisconsin, Washington St, Auburn, and George Washington actually are among the best schools (among others) for students wishing to pursue an online education.

Afterall, hardly anybody does things "online" these days....................................... :whistling:

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I think there's a LARGE group at Bisonville that think online students are "illegitimate".........................

Despite the fact that schools like North Dakota, Florida, Wisconsin, Washington St, Auburn, and George Washington actually are among the best schools (among others) for students wishing to pursue an online education.

Afterall, hardly anybody does things "online" these days....................................... :whistling:

That whole internet thing is just a passing fad, anyway.

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you really didn't make an argument here. Online education will always be a second-rate alternative for a few people with no good options, and provide degrees of dubious merit, while simultaneously missing the most important part of many degree programs, which is the networking.

Sometimes things happen in life that do not allow people to obtain a college degree. An online program is not a second-rate alternative to them. Its the way of the current world. As the seperation widens between classes in this world everyone has to find a way that fits their life styles to stay ahead. One of those ways is getting a degree from an accredited institution of higher learning and not everyone can take 4 to 5 years off in life to do this. There is more to networking than partying on a college campus but without the signed piece of paper you are unable to open many doors.

  • 4 weeks later...
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Official fall enrollment is in at UND

15,260 (563 students more than last fall's record official enrollment, or 3.8 percent higher).

I am sure we will see more about this later today or tomorrow.

EDIT:

Make that 15,250

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http://www.inforum.c...group/homepage/

GRAND FORKS – More than 15,000 students are taking classes through the University of North Dakota this fall, the first time the school has ever broken the mark.

The official fall semester enrollment was 15,250, according to spokesman Peter Johnson. The record-breaking figure is up 553, or about 3.8 percent, compared to last fall’s enrollment.

Johnson said the university also set a record this fall with 2,357 beginning freshmen, about 12.7 percent more than last year.

The number of transfer students increased 7.2 percent to 937, he said.

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UND for decades, and continuing in the present, has an excellent working relationship with the United States Air Force. Active duty and support personnel as well as their families and spouses have taken courses on campus at UND while stationed in Grand Forks. When rotated to other parts of the country, or world, they continue their education on-line. I can speak first hand having served two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan knowing personnel who were stationed in Grand Forks and were continuing to work for their degrees via the on-line availability. All spoke very highly of UND. UND does an excellent job of follow-up and remains in contact to encourage them to achieve their respective educational goals. Make no mistake about it these people are America's finest and I thank them for their service to our country.

(I point this out to those who intend to demean on-line students.)

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Some historical perspective on UND's enrollment

2012 * 15,250

2011 * 14,697

2010 * 14,194

2009 * 13,172

2008 * 12,748

2007 * 12,559

2006 * 12,954

2005 * 12,834

2004 * 13,187

2003 * 13,034

2002 * 12,423

2001 * 11,764

2000 * 11,031

1999 * 10,590

1998 * 10,369

From 1998 to 2012 UND has experienced 47% growth. That is amazing. Especially when there were a few years that the enrollment dropped.

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Some historical perspective on UND's enrollment

2012 * 15,250

2011 * 14,697

2010 * 14,194

2009 * 13,172

2008 * 12,748

2007 * 12,559

2006 * 12,954

2005 * 12,834

2004 * 13,187

2003 * 13,034

2002 * 12,423

2001 * 11,764

2000 * 11,031

1999 * 10,590

1998 * 10,369

From 1998 to 2012 UND has experienced 47% growth. That is amazing. Especially when there were a few years that the enrollment dropped.

Impressive especially when you take into account the lack of the Dickinson St. methodology in enrollment accounting! ;)

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Some historical perspective on UND's enrollment

2012 * 15,250

2011 * 14,697

2010 * 14,194

2009 * 13,172

2008 * 12,748

2007 * 12,559

2006 * 12,954

2005 * 12,834

2004 * 13,187

2003 * 13,034

2002 * 12,423

2001 * 11,764

2000 * 11,031

1999 * 10,590

1998 * 10,369

From 1998 to 2012 UND has experienced 47% growth. That is amazing. Especially when there were a few years that the enrollment dropped.

It would be interesting to look back a couple of more years. I believe that UND took at least a little bit of a hit in 1997 after the flood. A little bit of the growth shown on your list might be a rebound from that loss.
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Some breakdown of the numbers...UND enrollment sets another record at 15,250; number of new freshmen a contributing factor

UND's strong enrollment reflects a surge in new freshmen and transfer students. The number of new freshman is 2,357, a 13-percent increase over the same time last fall. Transfer students increased by 7 percent, from 874 to 937, fall 2012.

Returning undergraduate numbers (all non-new freshman and transfer students) held about steady compared with last fall at 8,659 students, while the Graduate School continued to show gains with a 5-percent increase, from 2,673 students to 2,801 students now.

UND's continued graduate-level growth is consistent with UND's Strategic Plan, which states that graduate students will represent 20 percent of UND's student body. Currently graduate students make up 18.4 percent of the overall student body.

UND is seeing particular growth at the undergraduate level in the College of Engineering and Mines, which increased its enrollment by more than 21 percent, adding 266 students this fall. Also, the College of Nursing and John D. Odegard School of Aerospace Sciences saw marked increases in students at 15 and 9 percent, respectively (140 more students for Nursing and 131 more for Aerospace).
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Sometimes things happen in life that do not allow people to obtain a college degree. An online program is not a second-rate alternative to them. Its the way of the current world. As the seperation widens between classes in this world everyone has to find a way that fits their life styles to stay ahead. One of those ways is getting a degree from an accredited institution of higher learning and not everyone can take 4 to 5 years off in life to do this. There is more to networking than partying on a college campus but without the signed piece of paper you are unable to open many doors.

Very well put, homer. I will acknowledge that on-campus classroom participation is perhaps the better way to go if one can afford to do it that way. But this is an ever-changing world and one has to adapt. Fortunately, online education being available can save miles of driving to a campus somewhere in the state (or otherwise). Online education (contrary to numerous Bville posts and the like) is a most acceptable way of completing a higher education. It is not a second-rate education at all. College is what one makes of it. We should all be most grateful to have alternative options. Those who downgrade or demean online education are obviously out of their element.

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It would be interesting to look back a couple of more years. I believe that UND took at least a little bit of a hit in 1997 after the flood. A little bit of the growth shown on your list might be a rebound from that loss.

Found some additional info dating back to 1995... http://und.edu/dept/.../enrcollege.htm

2012 * 15,250

2011 * 14,697

2010 * 14,194

2009 * 13,172

2008 * 12,748

2007 * 12,559

2006 * 12,954

2005 * 12,834

2004 * 13,187

2003 * 13,034

2002 * 12,423

2001 * 11,764

2000 * 11,031

1999 * 10,590

1998 * 10,369

1997 * 10,363

1996 * 11,274

1995 * 11,486

You're right UND did have to crawl back from the 1997 flood. It took until 2001 for UND to get back to pre-flood numbers.

  • 10 months later...
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UND’s 2013 summer enrollment surges higher

UND's summer session enrollment figures are up from the previous year by 257 students. The enrollment total for this year's summer session is 6,277 students. That number was made up almost equally of men and women. There were 3,134 women enrolled in summer classes and 3,143 men.

The areas on campus that have seen the greatest increases in summer enrollment are non-degree students (up 98 students), the College of Business and Public Administration (up 78 students), Graduate School (up 77 students) and the School of Medicine Health Sciences (up 52 students).

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