scpa0305 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 5 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said: I think we'll be Top 3 or 5 for the next three years in regards to the incoming classes, from everything I've heard and read about our recruits. What about other teams' recruits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, scpa0305 said: What about other teams' recruits? LOL well, they are usually rankings, so I can see whom else is on those rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforce19 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Rankings are subjective. Not everyone has the same opinion. I focus less on other teams. More on my team’s. There’s so many factors to building a team. I can only comment on what I see with my own eyes, not who is ranked where on a draft ranking, or what is on their stat sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, siouxforce19 said: Rankings are subjective. Not everyone has the same opinion. I focus less on other teams. More on my team’s. There’s so many factors to building a team. I can only comment on what I see with my own eyes, not who is ranked where on a draft ranking, or what is on their stat sheet. I'd say they're certainly pretty consistent, however. At least generally. Regardless, I think we should be very excited about the next few years of recruits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforce19 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: I'd say they're certainly pretty consistent, however. At least generally. Regardless, I think we should be very excited about the next few years of recruits. Yes, generally, I personally prefer to form my own opinion rather than rely on someone else’s. But it’s a good starting point for sure. Especially considering all the mixed reports you can hear on players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 3 hours ago, siouxforce19 said: Rankings are subjective. Not everyone has the same opinion. I focus less on other teams. More on my team’s. There’s so many factors to building a team. I can only comment on what I see with my own eyes, not who is ranked where on a draft ranking, or what is on their stat sheet. Agreed so does almost everyone else on this forum. All I was trying to get across was that our incoming class next year may not be a top 3 recruiting class in the nation next season. May be more like a 5-7 (really depends where our higher end recruits go). But you’re correct, they’re only subjective rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforce19 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, scpa0305 said: Agreed so does almost everyone else on this forum. All I was trying to get across was that our incoming class next year may not be a top 3 recruiting class in the nation next season. May be more like a 5-7 (really depends where our higher end recruits go). But you’re correct, they’re only subjective rankings. Yeah, I took a look at the draft rankings a few days ago and could see BU and Minnesota and maybe BC top 3 since they have the most ranked players, but after that I kind of felt it depends on if you are looking at quality or quantity, immediate impact, or more long term impact. Like, UND has 7 total rated, while Michigan had just 4, but I believe 2 of them are rated in the first round area, and the other 2 are late round projections. Either way, we’ll know who brought in the good classes by Christmas next year. But it’s a good discussion topic for the offseason (or end of season if you’re us) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJS Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 39 minutes ago, siouxforce19 said: Yeah, I took a look at the draft rankings a few days ago and could see BU and Minnesota and maybe BC top 3 since they have the most ranked players, but after that I kind of felt it depends on if you are looking at quality or quantity, immediate impact, or more long term impact. Like, UND has 7 total rated, while Michigan had just 4, but I believe 2 of them are rated in the first round area, and the other 2 are late round projections. Either way, we’ll know who brought in the good classes by Christmas next year. But it’s a good discussion topic for the offseason (or end of season if you’re us) Agreed, there's so many different variables when evaluating a class. One thing I really like about next years recruiting class is they mostly fall into what I really feel is the sweet spot. Those are the 2nd / 3rd / 4th rounders, who should be three year type guys. The four true freshman forwards will fall into that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Did anyone have Mark Senden as a player that would add more than Weatherby? Of course that may change, but it is sometime a huge crapshoot who is going to transition well to the next level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burd Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 35 minutes ago, tnt said: Did anyone have Mark Senden as a player that would add more than Weatherby? Of course that may change, but it is sometime a huge crapshoot who is going to transition well to the next level. That is true, but seems rare that an undrafted player has the puck possession skills highly rated players ike Heatley, Toews, Schmaltz, Vanek, etc did. That's one thing that we have sorely lacked--a player who defenses have to give space to out of respect. Especially on the PP. Defenses feel free to go after anybody on the team without fear of missing and getting caught out of position. I don't know if Travis Roche was a high pick coming in, but he could do that on the blue line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 15 hours ago, tnt said: Did anyone have Mark Senden as a player that would add more than Weatherby? Of course that may change, but it is sometime a huge crapshoot who is going to transition well to the next level. 100% no. Things may change as they move forward however. Senden played in a tougher year last year than Weatherby did.....maybe that had something to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Just glancing at the scoring leaders on the USHL website. The top scorers rank and where they are committed to play college: 1. Miami U 2. Harvard 3. Minnesota <--- This is where Brock Boeser finished his "senior year" in the ushl. 4. Uncommitted 5. Denver 6. Michigan State 7. Connecticut 8. Michigan 9. Uncommitted 10. Connecticut 11. Umass-Lowell 12. Western Michigan 13. Uncommitted 14.Uncommitted 15. Cornell 16. Denver 17. North Dakota 18. St. Lawrence 19. BU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJS Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 6 hours ago, Cratter said: Just glancing at the scoring leaders on the USHL website. The top scorers rank and where they are committed to play college: 1. Miami U - '98 - 1.30 PPG 2. Harvard - '99 - 1.30 PPG 3. Minnesota - '98 - 1.30 PPG 4. Uncommitted - '00 - 1.17 PPG 5. Denver - '98 - 1.17 PPG 6. Michigan State - '01 - 1.18 PPG 7. Connecticut - '00 - 1.19 PPG 8. Michigan - '98 - 1.17 PPG 9. Uncommitted - '98 - 0.98 PPG 10. Connecticut - '01 - 0.98 PPG 11. Umass-Lowell - '99 - 1.07 PPG 12. Western Michigan - '99 - 1.29 PPG 13. Uncommitted - '98 - 1.36 PPG 14.Uncommitted - '98 - 1.00 PPG 15. Cornell - '00 - 1.10 PPG 16. Denver - '01 - 1.57 PPG 17. North Dakota - '00 - 1.07 PPG 18. St. Lawrence - '99 - 1.30 PPG 19. BU - '01 - 1.08 PPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 4 hours ago, AJS said: Points per Game can be cool and all but can easily be skewed by players who haven't played many games. Like phenom, Jack Hughes, top NHL draft prospect...2nd in PPG in the ushl. (He's going to go higher than the highest drafted UND player Ever.) or Alex Turcotte, the highest PPG player in the USHL, a Wisconsin recruit and another future NHL stud! Is that why one of the highest rated UND recruits, Donovan, said "Nah. Sorry Berry. I'm going to play for Wisconsin and to go play with Alex Turcotte?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Will we ever see a #1 NHL drafted player play for UND in our lifetime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforce19 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 21 minutes ago, Cratter said: Points per Game can be cool and all but can easily be skewed by players who haven't played many games. Like phenom, Jack Hughes, a Boston U recruit and top NHL draft prospect...2nd in PPG in the ushl. (He's going to go higher than the highest drafted UND player Ever!) or Alex Turcotte, the highest PPG player in the USHL, a Wisconsin recruit and another future NHL stud! Is that why one of the highest rated UND recruits, Donovan, said "Nah. Sorry Berry. I'm going to play for Wisconsin and to go play with Alex Turcotte?" Jack isn’t going to BU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 37 minutes ago, siouxforce19 said: Jack isn’t going to BU. Good catch. Edited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianvf Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Cratter said: Will we ever see a #1 NHL drafted player play for UND in our lifetime? How often has a #1 NHL drafted player elected to play NCAA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, brianvf said: How often has a #1 NHL drafted player elected to play NCAA? Obviously not the most common thing. Gophers had one a few years ago. BU a few years before that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 7 hours ago, Cratter said: Points per Game can be cool and all but can easily be skewed by players who haven't played many games. Like phenom, Jack Hughes, top NHL draft prospect...2nd in PPG in the ushl. (He's going to go higher than the highest drafted UND player Ever.) or Alex Turcotte, the highest PPG player in the USHL, a Wisconsin recruit and another future NHL stud! Is that why one of the highest rated UND recruits, Donovan, said "Nah. Sorry Berry. I'm going to play for Wisconsin and to go play with Alex Turcotte?" Among other things like education....probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burd Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, scpa0305 said: Among other things like education....probably. Yeah, people need to keep in mind that these kids want the nhl but a campus like UW or UMich has some serious pull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJHovey Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 9 hours ago, scpa0305 said: Among other things like education....probably. Somewhere I saw an article in which the kid talked about his decision not to come here but go to Wisconsin, and as I recall a huge part of it was that Granato had some prior coaching involvement with him. In a lot of ways recruiting is a people business and if a kid and a coach connect, that can sway a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJS Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 18 hours ago, Cratter said: Points per Game can be cool and all but can easily be skewed by players who haven't played many games. Like phenom, Jack Hughes, top NHL draft prospect...2nd in PPG in the ushl. (He's going to go higher than the highest drafted UND player Ever.) or Alex Turcotte, the highest PPG player in the USHL, a Wisconsin recruit and another future NHL stud! Is that why one of the highest rated UND recruits, Donovan, said "Nah. Sorry Berry. I'm going to play for Wisconsin and to go play with Alex Turcotte?" I completely agree, which is why I added it (along with the age of the player) to your list. Couple additional variables to keep in mind while looking at your list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforce19 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 If you’re bored of discussion on how UND sucks at recruiting, here are a couple recent articles on Harrison Blaisdell. https://www.eprinkside.com/2019/03/01/all-he-does-is-win-blaisdell-keeps-adding-to-impressive-trophy-case https://www.draftgeek.ca/2019/02/26/prospect-profile-harrison-blaisdell/ ...if not, carry on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, siouxforce19 said: If you’re bored of discussion on how UND sucks at recruiting, here are a couple recent articles on Harrison Blaisdell. https://www.eprinkside.com/2019/03/01/all-he-does-is-win-blaisdell-keeps-adding-to-impressive-trophy-case https://www.draftgeek.ca/2019/02/26/prospect-profile-harrison-blaisdell/ ...if not, carry on... I really don't think anyone is bashing the recruits coming in next year. They are talking about one that got away (me personally, I'd much rather lose RD than not bring in Blaisdell next year). However, Blaisdell did cool off considerably towards the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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