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Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em. The state throwing more money at the name will simply result in more money spent. The name will be just as gone or the University will be just as hurt. Spirit Lake's lawsuit could potentially save the name, but the laws, consitutional amendments, etc. do nothing but harm UND.

Careful, Lakes will accuse you of threatening a legislator

Unfortunately, even then it would be unlikely.

Let's not judge the kid. I'm happy to have him committed to UND and I hope the coaches/players/etc can convince him to actually come to UND. That OHL scout looks like a sneak and reeks of desperation.* *I feel completely comfortable judging and bashing on an OHL scout.

I don't think Matt was saying it's unlikely UND gets the boot, I think he was saying it would be a VERY uncommon thing in the world of NCAA athletics if it happened. Which shows how rare just having the commissioner talk about kicking out a member is.

Hmm, I guess I made an ASSUMPTION. See what happens when people ASSUME things and they are wrong? They look dumb. In the case of the Fighting Sioux debate, the people ASSUMING no harm will come to UND are risking something the rest of us have no intention of losing.

Being ranked #23 is not my goal for the football program. Beating Sioux Falls with a last second field goal is not my goal for the football program. Going the entire season without a road win is not my goal for the basketball program. You assume the Big Sky will keep UND. I'd rather know than assume. I realize you didn't go to UND and you don't care about anything but the MEN'S hockey team and the logo, but the other sports are important to a lot of people and to the University as a whole.

If you think the product UND put on the football field and basketball court from 2008-2010 was of high quality, then it's obvious you haven't been watching any games. The football team lost to SIOUX FALLS of the NAIA. That can never be allowed to happen again. Did you play football for UND? No? Then you have no idea what recruits consider in making a decision. The Big Sky used the Sioux logo because at the time of acceptance UND was the Fighting Sioux but UND officials had made it clear that they were going to follow the agreement entered into with the NC$$.

UND sports sponsored by the Big Sky will lose viability. Without recruits, teams will go bad. Why would a recruit pick a school knowing he/she could never have a playoff atmosphere game at home in front of their friends? Knowing that they'll never get to play against Minnesota, Wisconsin, or the other big regional schools? When the Big Sky accepted UND, it was pretty clear UND was going to drop the name, but then Carlson got involved. UND was a perfect looking apple that the Big Sky plucked from the tree. The Big Sky is now hoping the apple isn't rotten inside and they don't have to throw us away.

I'm gonna go ahead and call bullsh*t on this one.

SayAnything blog told them it was true so it must be

1. You can still cheer GO SIOUX without handicapping UND athletics with the nickname. Everyone will know who you're talking about. 2. You've really lost any credibility you may have ever had on this site.

You're referring to smart people being vastly outnumbered by..... uh...... less smart people?

It appears they have a guy who belongs in a freak show/carnival/circus. http://www.hometeamsonline.com/teams/default.asp?u=SOUTHSHOREMENSHOCKEY&t=c&s=hockey&p=profile&playerID=238102

The funding model for state appropriations is not tied to enrollment.

But the contract doesn't say UND has to remove the name, it says UND must remove the name OR be placed under sanctions. The law removes the "or" and makes UND's choice for it. The legislature making a choice for UND goes against the constitution, which gives the power to the SBHE. This is why the SBHE would need to get a constitutional ruling if it doesn't agree with what's happening. Oh, and Mr. McGibblets is pretty awesome

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe the contract was to get rid of the name or go under sanctions. The law attempts to force UND to go under sanctions.

Thank you for proving my point.

An educated population can make things difficult for the Legislature. It's unfortunate more UND grads don't remain in the state.

This one is also close: http://www.theonion.com/ But the onion is actually kinda funny, whereas SayAnything is just sad.

Here's what UND/SBHE should do: 1. Do not challenge the constitutionality of the law. a. SBHE will win and the law will be struck down, however, it will energize the movement to put the name on the constitution. b. I believe if the law is in place, less people will feel the need to go out and find a petition to sign to put the name on the consitution because they will already feel like they've won. c. If the name gets put on the constitution, not only is UND screwed, but we would now have the biggest joke of a constitution in the country. 2. Use the Fighting Sioux name. a. Hopefull the Women's Hockey team will earn a home playoff game due to playing well, but unfortunately they will suffer for the use of the name. Maybe I'm a terrible person for saying so and this is just my opinion, but better them in the short term than the football team forever. b. This will give dumb people a chance to see how the law will affect UND athletics prior to the vote. 3. Pray a. For false signatures to be found (Minnesota residents, dead people, people signing as a joke). b. For smart people to remember to vote and dumb people to forget (maybe the Herald/Tribune/Forum could help out be not running articles on it everday ) c. For the Big Sky to give them time. d. For the NC$$ to back down (this will never happen, but praying for it might make some people feel good). 4. If all this fails, say $%$! it and break the law.

So this isn't their 1st year in college??

Watch out sioux2013 or he'll beat you up through the interwebs

I don't put much stock into anything before 1993..... if you go 1993 to 2003 Nickel Trophy games, UND was 9-2 against Moo U

The guy running the petition signing table in the state capital building today was wearing the ugliest baby-poo green and piss yellow bison jacket I've ever seen.