petey23

Wow. The logo is going to improve the atmosphere? Take a lap and then shower up.

For the sake of us generating revenue from licensed sales, hopefully this is the case again.

For that kind of scratch I would hope it was privately funded.

This is your opinion. Guess it depends on how you define "expense"

They do.

Sure. Which was hopefully accounted for by the Athletic Department and Administration in looking at the money that would be required when we decided to go Division 1.

The next thing that will happen is people will believe if we cut taxes that tax revenue will decrease.

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I am too lazy to go through the financial reports. They have been "doctored" in the past to cover women's hockey expenses and the like so not sure how accurate they are anyway. Keep it simple, yes or no questions. Has UND hockey outspent the money their program has brought to the University? Has football outspent the money their program has brought to the University? Has Men's Basketball outspent the money their program brought to the University? Has Women's Basketball outspent the money their program brought to the University? Has Volleyball outspent the money their program brought to the University? For the record, I have season tickets for hockey, I don't have season tickets for football but have attended about 75-80% of our home games over the last 10-12 years. I don't have season tickets for Men's Basketball but have attended about 20-25% of our home games over the last 8-10 years. I live 75-80 miles away from Grand Forks. Anytime we have a Basketball or Football game the same weekend as hockey I usually end up getting a hotel for the weekend and attend all events if their scheduling allows so save the Hockey only fan bit. I would go to more basketball games but Thursday nights usually don't work for me.

So you are accusing them of taking the money? I don't think anyone has shown that one nickel has left campus.

Ideally they would renegotiate the terms of the deal and have the REA management group continue to operate the building. Not that I don't trust a government entity to manage and operate a building efficiently and make sure the building is kept up to date and doesn't become run down but I don't trust a government entity to manage and operate a building efficiently and make sure the building is kept up to date and doesn't become run down.

I would say no

Lots of allegations in this thread by posters which have no idea wtf they are talking about.

Usually Bonzers or Tavern U for us although the Crooked Pint is now in the mix as well.

On another note. Whatever happened to David Fennell. It was probably 7-8 years ago when it was rumored he was going to be making a substantial contribution to UND athletics. Former football player and CFL Hall of Famer who has made a fortune in mining.

Privately funded with contributions specifically for that.

really? I am pretty sure you are mistaken.

So the upgrades didn't come from the REA general fund and did come from private donations. good to know.

Living Missile

One name that came up after the name had been decided and would have been a unique name would have been the Peregrines. Technically the Peregrine is a Falcon and not a Hawk but in North America it is also known as the Duck Hawk. I would like to see a logo based on the power and speed and hunting abilities of this perfect predator. It is the fastest creature in the Animal Kingdom with speeds of up to 240 mph.

Other than they both seem to have financial problems.

Key word. Cheaper instead of less expensive. You are seriously understating the UND fans in Fargo. There are NDSU fans and grads who are UND hockey fans. There are people who didn't attend either school who are fans of both programs when they are winning. The alumni base for UND is probably very close in size to the NDSU alumni base in Fargo and yeah you might see a UND grad at an NDSU tailgate or game, or a UND alum business owner catering to the NDSU student but sometimes that is the cost of doing business. There are very few UND grads in Fargo who are actual Bison sports fans....and those that are should be disowned.

And you have identified the problem we will continue to have. Scheel's is in the business to make money. They buy merchandise with the Fighting Hawks logo on it and it ends up on the clearance rack. When it is time to order again, they will order less UND merchandise and also ask for designs that do not have the logo on it.(i.e., just text like "University of North Dakota" or "Fighting Hawks" or sport specific like "North Dakota Basketball" or "Fighting Hawks Football") I am not saying get rid of the name, that would be foolish at this point...but we seriously need to hit the reset button on the logo. Prior to NDSU going D1 and refreshing their logo, UND apparel and NDSU apparel used to run neck and neck in the Fargo Scheels store with UND even outselling NDSU some years. 2 things, this was prior to NDSU going D1 and this is directly from the person who used to be the collegiate license buyer for Scheels corporate.

Not every other school in America was forced to give up their iconic logo and then voluntarily chose to get rid of their next best option on their own.