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But remember, the student athletes don't want a new new nickname... kat reller‏@katreller 2h2 hours ago @cglass11 @UNDSID more athletes at UND that want a new nickname, then there are that don't, which is mainly the hockey players..

So what you're saying is that the only way that group of people will be happy is if Kelley declares that UND will go forward with "no nickname"?

So because one committee member says what he thinks (and many others would agree with) and somehow it came right from Kelley's mouth? And then to top it off, Kelley backchannels to deep six "no nickname" through the committee process only to place it back under possible consideration two days later? If he wanted it gone, he got what he wanted and didn't have to deal with it anymore.

And how do the ratings for those games compare?

Per Tom Miller: UND received its first verbal commitment of 2016 from Isaiah Secrest. RB of Rice Lake, Wis. 5-7, 160.

Both student-athletes voted to remove "no nickname". Of the student representatives, it was 1 for and 1 against. Total student representative vote: 3-1 to remove "no nickname".

So Kelley forced the committee to drop it and then potentially brings it back? Since we're playing hypotheticals, during the June meeting if two committee members had changed their mind this discussion isn't taking place right now and "no nickname" doesn't make the final 7. It was the lowest remaining option then as well.

The nicknames I preferred were dropped long before the final 15 or whatever the number was and I was felt the same before and after they did that. The committee followed the processes laid out for them, that's why I have no issue with them. They ranked the nicknames at least twice with "no nickname" being the lowest scoring of what remained, I'm not sure how keeping it on the list at that point made sense. My issue with how Kelley handled it is that he openly undermined the committee. I guess I didn't think about the fact that the process did state he had the ability to add names to the final list, but to add something that saw more debate than anything else, scored consistently low from the committee and was voted out isn't quite how I saw him using that power. When the Fighting Sioux nickname was dropped, a group of people that fully knew the sanctions that would be placed on UND, did not care and chose to insist that the Fighting Sioux nickname be kept (and some continue to this day). That is not someone who can honestly say they support the University of North Dakota. To claim to be a fan and then voluntarily and intentionally supporting something that places the school at a disadvantage is mind-blowing. I do understand what you're saying, I just don't have the same opinion. I want the University of North Dakota to have every advantage possible.

Those people are not supporters of the University of North Dakota, they are supporters of a retired nickname and logo. There is absolutely no other way to put it. They also probably overlap with same group that threatened to quit giving donations when Fighting Sioux was retired. The result? Record year of donations to the Champions Club the following year.

I have no issues with how either committee did its job, they did exactly what was laid out for them and were open about it whether you agreed with them or not: 5 However: Including and listening to consultants: 0 Kelley undermining the committee: 0 Dating back decades: 0 This entire debacle has been and continues to be a joke and an embarrassment.

Yes, the guy who's job is to literally deal with this every day is making all of it up to pass time on a Friday.

What's my timeline to start and end at? And are we talking about the only the process itself? I only ask because I have considerably different opinions on various parts of it. And I can guarantee you the score didn't go up this morning...

Picking "no nickname" is not moving on, it is kicking the can down the road. UND's SID, who job actually entails dealing with this, posted that exact sentiment. It isn't some message board scare tactic or whatever today's deflection buzzword is.

No one is flip-flopping. Kelley had zero to do with what happened Tuesday, no one was praising him for the committee making the right decision. The committee had zero to do with what happened today, no one is condemning them for Kelley appeasing a vocal group of people, many who threw public temper-tantrums.

I have to admit, I am very impressed with Hadju's opinions and his willingness to very openly share them on this matter.

UND always has always been, currently is and always will be North Dakota. And you realize this is about a nickname/logo right? Its in inanimate object that people are treating like a deity. So many people are stuck in the Denial and Anger stages of grief and don't realize it. If they took a step back and realized it, things would be a lot easier for them.

UND students approved the fees to support athletics. On top of that, you're so absolutely clueless on how athletic department funding works its not even funny.

Yes, this all on Kelley, who became president after the settlement agreement was signed and multiple decades after the issue arose.

Because UND actually offers proportionate opportunities for women's athletics. It's a novel idea, maybe NDSU will join the 21st century at some point and do the same. And with the "accounting" that goes on at Fargo U, I wouldn't beat my chest too hard about how college finances are reported.

We all underestimated the consultants and misunderstood their role.

The "no nickname" crowd is going to have a hard time convincing people its a different than the Sioux Forever crowd when the organizer of Friday's protest decides to give an interview on the news wearing a Fighting Sioux hockey jersey...

So.......

You'd think if they had been paying attention they would realize Fighting Sioux isn't coming back either but letters to the editor, tweets and Facebook comments sure indicate that one hasn't sunk in yet. Guaranteed there will be people complaining when the new banner is unveiled.

But don't worry, he totally had the University of North Dakota's best interest in mind....

I'm not the one that has an issue with it, the entire Fargo University graduating class of 2011 is. As previously stated, this thread has definitely lived up to its name. And the NDSU/UND game thread has been closed.