jdub27

I'm anti-"no nickname" and my stance and views comes from having personal conversations with multiple people within the University and athletic department that deal with this on a daily basis and are continuously affected by it. Where do yours come from? For the record - I'm also anti-"University of North Dakota North Dakota", but only be cause its redundant and people keep thinking North Dakota is a nickname when its really the name of the institution.

You're picking and choosing on when things must be verbatim and what things can be read into is hilarious. I'd love to hear how somehow, someone from within UND complaining to the NCAA would not garner the same scrutiny that someone complaining from another school would. The NCAA listened to people within UND a decade ago, why wouldn't they this time around. And as continuously stated and explained, the sanctions are not the only reason for picking a new nickname, they are one of many spelled out many groups of people including student athletes and athletic administrators.

Or when someone from within UND complains. And we all know that would never happen, right?

Not at all. But I'm not naïve enough to think that it is somehow unique to UND only and should be promoted as the main logo. It works nicely as a secondary logo.

I agree, Notre Dame has shown it can be done with an almost exact replica! Per people within the Athletic Administration, when student athletes are traveling, they really enjoy people asking them about Notre Dame when they see their travel gear.

It already was and it lost. The representatives that were chosen to represent whichever group or groups of stakeholder you fall into either did not agree with you or were outvoted by other representatives.

Which I acknowledged when I stated declining merchandise sales was one of the many reasons. I only pointed it out because it can be looked it as an indicator that people don't agree with your stance that it is a "unique, suitable option" because merchandise isn't flying off the shelf since it has become the only option.

Then they can continue to support North Dakota/UND since it has been the name of the institution since 1883, long before Flickertails, Sioux, Fighting Sioux or the Blackhawks, Geometric and Brien logo. There has always been and always will be just the interlocking logo or just the block words "North Dakota" available on apparel and merchandise. Go ahead and buy it. Among the many (already listed thousands of times) reasons, recent merchandise sales and continued to confusion with Notre Dame are among the reasons that an actual, individual identity for the athletic teams is easily the more logical choice.

At least I'm living there. If you could join us, it'd be great and a lot less tiring reading you ask the same questions over and over again, pretending that the answer and reasoning others are presenting don't exist.

The point of the those who claimed the NCAA could put UND on sanctions for not having nickname is now a matter of semantics for the reasoning because they confirmed that they could and will because fans continuing to use the Fighting Sioux name is a given and someone either at a different school or UND is going to complain. You seem to keep missing that point and keep bringing up an addendum that spoke to imagery at the REA. What other sanctions do you think they are referring to? You seem to be the only one who doesn't understand they will be the same thing. They make the rules and have been given full power and blessing to change them as they see fit.

I find this hard to believe. There are still people who want to play as the Fighting Sioux despite knowing the consequences. There are people who still think we should go on with no nickname despite both athletes and administrators from with UND's athletic department stating reasons why that shouldn't be an option. There are people who think despite the NCAA saying that while choosing no nickname doesn't technically violate the settlement agreement it "would very likely result in sanctions" that it is still fine to choose "no nickname" just to see what happens. I gave up on people being "remotely informed" and making the correct decision long ago.

http://www.uscho.com/2012/02/29/ncaa-announces-sanctions-to-north-dakota-for-use-of-nickname-logo/ You're so adamant about things being nothing more than assumptions yet continue to have a laundry list of your own without the same concern for possibilities that they may or may not happen. The NCAA body granted the Executive Committee power to change rules as necessary. That is where the argument starts and ends, regardless of what the rules currently say or don't say or how each individual interprets them.

It's as if you've heard this story before....

Paul Ralston's interview from last week was pretty good. Talked about the "choke job" incident which and it was interesting to hear both him and Jayson talk about it from their respective positions.

Be prepared to be labeled a liar and hater among other things (despite your posting history indicating the complete opposite of that). I was hoping for a part where the coach interjected to inform him that his offer was pulled so it didn't matter. It is what it is, I've heard a few other similar stories but they've always been second or third hand.

Curious what you mean by "knowing what their majors are"?

Not sure who said that? The important things were completed They shifted some things that weren't deemed important out of Phase 1 and moved a few other things (bleachers) to outside both phases and can be added at a later time. They unfortunately didn't have any old wooden bleachers they could leave in. The only area fan base that I've seen claiming money is no issue is a few clowns from Fargo U. They clearly have no clue.

I agree, but why would they bother? They have no incentive to, they will continue to put the rope on the table and give UND the option to hang themselves if they so choose and leave their hands clean. Same thing they did with the Fighting Sioux nickname.

Let me know when there is some actual measure that has any sort of creditability released. The survey done by UND last year gathering people's input was the closest I've seen (and is nowhere near qualifying). The results showed the clear majority was ready to move on to a new nickname. In the latest poll, the majority of students either didn't feel strong enough one way or another to bother to vote or they just don't care. Yeah, I'm sure they are the ones who would suffer. Why not toss more money at this dumpster fire that was lost long ago and live under sanctions while continuing to look like a bunch of clowns?

Recap now up with a couple pictures and video with an interview with Q and McDermott.

Just for clarity, there were 3,262 responses sent in. Not sure how many students the link went out to, but enrollment last year was 14,906. Of those that responded, 68.3% said they wanted it included in the vote (not that they wanted it to be chosen, though there is most definitely overlap). 24.4% said no and 7.3% were unsure. Before someone claims that this a referendum one way or another, something like 1/4-1/3 (at best) of students took the time to fill out the one question survey, meaning the majority didn't even bothered respond, let alone are in favor of adding "no nickname" back as an option. That being said, of those that responded, not real surprised by the results as you are likely going to have those that feel the strongest take the time to respond. Also agree fully with your last statement. Gave up on trying to predict what would happen next a long time ago.

UNDSports.com is hoping to have a full recap along with pictures/video if they are able.

Following on Twitter I'm assuming? Haven't seen anything else.

Totally!

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