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Not saying it wouldn't be close and NDSU still wouldn't be towards the top, just saying they wouldn't have a consecutive string of 1st place runs like they had. On the men's side, I think that NAU and SUU are better in outdoor and quite a bit in CC (both are top 25 teams in the latter). NDSU would still do very well on the women's side but it would be a lot more interesting than some of their Summit meets have been. Looking at your table, what's clear is that when you are weak in T&F/CC and those sports make up 40% of the comparison, it makes a huge difference. UND has had subpar facilities in those areas for a long time. Everything I hear about the new IPF and the 300m track will make huge strides in helping with that across the board.

Impressive work, thanks for putting it together. Shows some interesting things, though I wouldn't call it a direct apples to apples comparison due to the relative difference in strength in the conferences (even year to year) in various sports (for example, NDSU would have nowhere near the dominance in T&F/CC in the Big Sky, though they would have still outperformed UND) and it leaves out a few of the stronger programs for both schools (Wrestling for NDSU, MH/WH and occasionally the S&D teams at UND). I don't think anyone will argue that UND has work to do in their non-revenue, this definitely shows it, but the IPF will likely make an incredible difference for the T&F programs plus softball/baseball. The other thing that this doesn't show is that UND spreads out its resources more due to supporting more student athletes (449 vs. 411) and a lot of it comes on the women's side (205 vs. 129). That leads to a combination of thoughts, including that UND at some point may have to look at cutting a program or two and that while NDSU remains in compliance with Title IX through the "interest and abilities" method, the FCOA thing is going to start bringing that disparity more and more into the public's view and very well could bring in some unwanted scrutiny.

UND receives the revenue from ticket sales for UND sports, though they contract with REA to handle them. If you were referring other events, then no, UND wouldn't report any of those. I believe the number the only UND-related ticket numbers that might not be included would be the suites at the Alerus and REA. I'm not sure how those are handled, though I know that the total revenue brought in by the ones at the REA is significant and only growing due to the large waiting list they continue to have for them.

This isn't true. It's all owned and run by non-profits and their tax returns are available online.

Everything in life is cyclical. Things are never as good or bad as they seem.

They were denied membership in 1996 and promptly joined the Mid-Con (now Summit). Not sure if they officially applied for the spot UNC got in 2006 (under direction of former AD Tom Douple) but records show they were interested at the time. The Big Sky is where they always aspired to be and they bolted when given the chance in 2010, even though Douple had switched over to commissioner of the Summit by that time. For fun, here's a quote from former athletic director Tom Douple when he was at SUU:

I'll give them credit, they do pretty well in some the ones they do manage to field a team for, but still ended up looking up to both of the South Dakota schools in the season long standings.

Glad you're on record supporting an absurd disparity in opportunities provided for female student athletes. Just in case you forgot the numbers: 282 unduplicated men participants (68.6%) and 129 unduplicated women participants (31.4%). I'm sure that won't be an issue at some point in the future.

There will be no change in colors as has been stated from the start of this. Green and pink are the official school (academic) colors. Green and white are the official colors of the athletic department. Black is commonly added and used as well though I'm not sure if it was ever "officially" added.

Is the financial mess that Chapman left NDSU in not enough facts for you? Let the ignorance shine bright Dan. Teeder's points are spot on but I know it doesn't go along with the revisionist history taught at FU. Since you're so enlightened, share the details of NDSU's years long study. Was it to keep women's participation numbers down, giving more money to go around to the athletes that were there but allow men twice as many opportunities than females to participate at the D-1 level?

UND up 6-0 in the bottom of the 7th.

I clicked on that and this was the first picture I saw. The bow tie is pretty classic, but that suit...

Interesting on the matte green but I like it. Will definitely match the jersey's better.

If he thought he could make some sort of point to the SBoHE by doing so, he'd probably consider it. Otherwise he could not care less.

Thanks for the insight. Agree they must have saw something they liked and looking at his numbers, it must have been potential. Strange to see a program have a commit from the 2017 class before they have one for the 2016 class. Nice to see kids in the area getting a chance at D-1 ball though.

I've never seen the kid play. Was there a huge possibility that he is going to blow up over the next year and would have attracted major offers? Just interesting that a kid would commit so early more so because its very unusual in this area.

No I'm saying because of reality and laws that were put in place, there is a huge difference between not having a nickname the last few years and to choose not having one going forward now that those restrictions have been removed. You claim that is semantics and I disagree. It is two completely separate situations and choosing to go forward without a nickname would be a voluntary choice whereas the past few years there was no choice, UND was prohibited from doing anything different.

This should actually be in the 2017-2018 Recruiting thread (which doesn't exist yet) but Sem has committed to NDSU per Prep Hoops ND. Never did hear what UND's interest level was. Earliest commit for any area school I can think of off the top of my head, for any sport let alone for basketball.

Agree to disagree I guess. UND only has no nickname right now because they were not allowed to choose a new one when the old one was retired. Had that restriction not been in place, this process would have taken place in 2011/2012 and your point about them continuing on with no nickname as they currently are would not have existed.

Except this time it would be by choice instead of force. UND was prohibited by law from replacing Fighting Sioux when it was retired, they no longer have that restriction in place. There is a material difference in the two.

If they could do a basic practice facility that would replace the functionality that the BESC currently has, it is a no brainer. Doesn't have to be anything fancy at all, just room for a handful of courts that could be utilized in the same way the BESC often is. I agree that it wouldn't be that hard or probably even that expensive (relatively speaking), it is just replacing the space that has now been lost. Again, that doesn't prevent some of the basic upgrades (scorer's table, videoboard, etc).

I stand by my statement, particularly because how donations have continued to increase despite all of this. People may claim to use it as an excuse but picking no nickname will not be a tipping point. If your do have some truth to it on the flip side is that there are also people who didn't agree with the Fighting Sioux nickname and didn't donate because of that. I don't know a single person who has adjusted their donation because of the nickname issue. I give my personal donation to help student athletes, I'm not going to punish them for something they have no control over. The source of where the "majority" or these "thousands" of people who want to keep it North Dakota comes from continues to elude me (an earlier post, not yours). Regardless, North Dakota is not a nickname. It is the name of the school and it will still be that when UND decides on a new nickname in the near future. For those that don't like it, no one will stop them from wearing whatever they want, including the interlocking ND or Fighting Sioux gear. What they won't be able to do is use "Fighting Sioux" as the de facto nickname because there will be a new one put in place. It may (and likely) will not be popular immediately but people will soon realize that the nickname didn't make the school or student athletes. There is no official statement from the NCAA on what they would or wouldn't do if UND choose no nickname. All that is on record is that they have and will continue to change their mind with no notice and hand out punishments that they see fit, despite the fact that they are not doled out fairly or consistently. With UND's past history with them, I have a hard time ruling out anything the NCAA can and will do. As for the Dacotah Legacy collection, the last (and only run to date) was something like 100 shirts. They will continue to do it in a very, very limited fashion to keep the trademark. I wish they would do mass releases, but they won't.

Not sure if you can tell, but how many people actually use the front page? I very rarely, if ever do. Most stories of importance make it into the forums one way or another.

UND is in the middle of fundraising for the completion of Phase 1 of the HPC and getting a jump on Phase 2 (locker rooms, coach's offices, weight rooms). Not saying that isn't stopping them from making what are realistically minor upgrades to the BESC, but UND isn't stuck in neutral. The HPC benefits basically every sport on campus. Upgrades to the BESC help three and to nowhere near the level of the HPC will.

Its such a great idea, I can't believe no other university has thought of something like this and pursued it! The "shed our history" thing is a complete farce. UND has changed its nickname before and its logo multiple times. I don't seem to see anywhere history that was disregarded upon doing so. UND has used the interlocking ND in conjunction with many other logos and will continue to do so in the future. However it'd be nice to have another alternative mark that isn't confused with Notre Dame's.