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Which is weird because NDSU originally wanted the whole NCC to move up when they were first exploring it. They finally get what they asked for and then complain.

Wow. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and assumed it was a caller. Bison Propaganda 1660 (McFeely's words, not mine). Jeremy Jorgenson (NDSU head of media) and Jeff Culhane (NDSU radio play by play) host. I'm still curious how it isn't a violation for an NDSU athletic department employee to talk about recruits who haven't signed or how it wasn't a conflict of interest for him to work on the media contracts and then he ends up hosting a show on the radio station that won the rights.

Was the comment from a caller or one of the hosts?

Since we're going to be members, might as well get the history straightened out: The Summit League was never known as the Gateway, it was the Mid-Continent Conference, changing its name in 2007. The MVFC was the one that had ties to the Gateway, known as the Gateway Football Conference before changing its name in 2008. It has a pretty winding history (stolen from Wikipedia):

He's spending his time over on the CSNBBS site giving his theories. Since there was no leak on the MVFC vote yesterday, he's convinced that it is a ruse by Kennedy to prove that the MVFC isn't going to let UND in even though he says that one doesn't pre-announce unless they know the end result. Seems strange that the story would run using FOIA sources that point to UND in the Summit/MVFC if that wasn't what was going to happen but I digress. I guess we'll find out at the press conference today...Who's going to come out from Door #1....Jeff Hurd or Tom Douple and Patty Vivetiro??

Announcement in the BESC at 1:30 this afternoon.

Live look in at Simple Dan:

You forgot Denver.

Well the news has definitely given some FargoU fans a sense of self-importance on message boards and Twitter, so I guess they have that going for them? The entertainment from teeth-gnashing, excuse making and revisionist history of them is an added bonus in this whole thing.

UND did ask in 2010 and the MVFC said they weren't taking two teams, which is why UND took the Big Sky offer to protect football. They had not commented one way or the other on only taking one team and ended up making some compromises with the eastern teams to do so. UND also stayed in touch and inquired more than once between then and mid-2016 and were told they weren't looking at expansion. I'll trust my sources that I can promise you are much closer to the situation than you are on this one.

No, it wouldn't have. The MVFC was on record that adding one in 2010 was palatable but two wasn't happening. That was the same stance they held both publicly and privately until just a few months ago. UND had inquired more than once and nothing changed until very recently. Also begs the question to what changed but I'm sure we'll know soon enough.

Plenty of dumb comments to go around as expected. UND joining the Summit further increases is stability, giving five solid core members (Dakota teams plus UNO) plus a sixth (Denver) who seems content because they are in a conference that has minimal required sports, allowing them to sponsor what they want, unlike the MVC who was going to require them to adjust what they sponsor. It also will shift the balance in the MVFC, giving the Summit a majority.

They both have their advantages and disadvantages. Pretending otherwise is just as dumb as what you are mocking.

Schlossman indicated he didn't see baseball coming back and I would have to agree with him. Summit had its chance to stabilize its baseball situation when UND applied to be an affiliate member. Why the Summit turned them down at that point, I'll never understand. Ship has sailed.

Look at the formula. Quality of schedule has much more to do with your RPI rating than your own quality of play.

Like I said, there are different levels and the one's I'm referring to are beyond the that. But it isn't, for the most part, a budget issue, it is something completely separate, so I'll leave it at that.

Part of the college experience is still learning to be an adult right? Hiding from things you don't agree with in a safe space is not learning how to properly manage stress. That seems to becoming a bigger and bigger issue as people don't know how to actually work through issues, they just demonize everything they don't agree with because they weren't taught how to properly deal with differences. Granted there are multiple different "levels" of this and something to provide a short, relaxing distraction from finals week is much different than a true safe space on campus where you get to hide from different opinions than your own.

RPI is a better measure of how well you can schedule since your own win-loss counts for only around 25% of it. That being said, top to bottom, the Summit is deeper but both conferences are and will be one bid conferences for the foreseeable future. I'm neutral on the move overall. Both conferences have their advantages and disadvantages. However I've stated since UND joined the Big Sky that UND had never had to choose between the Big Sky and the Summit/MVFC because there had never been a MVFC option. With it being presented and state budget cuts, it was just a matter of time.

This was the missing piece and finally resolved:

What year to the WAC?

That's because more than just the athletic department is facing budget cuts from the state. We are talking about fixing the athletic budget, not what the University is doing to try to fix budget issues in other areas, a large portion which is from administrative bloat (which is a problem at Universities across the country). Would or would not dropping women's hockey be a huge step in right-sizing UND's athletic department and it's budget?

I see your Strength of Schedule is now just a few notches above Penn State's as well. Good job!

Things change. Burgum is proposing to add an additional 5% cut to the what was originally considered the "worst case scenario" of 15% cuts. While I understand what he was trying to do (make it a non-issue once it was decided), he shouldn't have painted himself into a corner like he did. Making the decision to refuse to look at it again which will only let the problem continuously hamper UND and the athletic department going forward is a far worse choice than him having to go back on his statement under the cover of additional cuts that make their "non-action plan" unsustainable.

No, the solution is to cut the women's sport that is over a $2 million drain on an athletics department that needs to do some serious budget re-alignment. It might not solve every problem, but it would sure get pretty close on the budget issue. I liked baseball (and golf), yet I didn't throw a fit when those were cut because it was part of something that needed to be done. Why should men's sports be the only one's on the chopping block, the women's side of athletics are already over-represented by Title IX measurements. In 2015, women's hockey had $21,377 in ticket sales and brought in total revenues of $29,239 and had total operating expenses of $1,492,827 despite being charged a total of $0 for facilties because the entire amount of over $2.2 million was categorized under the men's hockey team. UND spent almost $1.5 million for ~20 girls to play hockey. Before you deflect, I attend some women's hockey game, it can be a nice way to kill some time on a weekend afternoon, but for the amount of money it is costing UND, I'm having a hard time coming up with a reasonable justification that it should remain. Since you're so against cutting women's hockey, what is your grand plan to fix UND's athletic budget because the state money isn't coming back anytime soon.

He should have never said that this was going to be done once and never revisited. He painted himself in a corner and will rightfully get roasted for it. That being said, he has a second chance to do what should have been done the first time and fix the problem.