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$425k payout. Anyone know the buyout?

Author addresses revenue brought in but then doesn't go the extra sentence to talk about Total Net Cost or Net Cost per Student athlete. Wonder why that might be? It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Net Cost for football and WIH are almost the same even though football has over 4x the student-athletes and that net number excludes other revenue/donations the football team brings in would it?

Someone with 15 posts in 2-3 years and nothing that shows they have any credibility is where that came from? Classic and literally no surprise.

Big surprise, more hearsay and baseless accusations, little discussion of actual numbers or realistic solutions.

Being that the twins care so much about women's hockey (and formerly UND athletics), have they or anyone in their family ever been Champions Club members or donated back to the program in any monetary sense? Simple question.

That's the only real "gamble" I took with my predictions. They could, I just don't think they will and the "reasoning" will be that they haven't had anything on them for a few years now.

Predictions: New logo replaces interlocking ND patch on shoulder. New font replaces old font on front of jersey. No logo on helmet.

There is two guaranteed chances along with a possibility of a third so not a complete loss. One of them just won't be homecoming.

Homecoming has already been set for Oct 7. I believe because of other events, they avoid putting it on a football/hockey doubleheader weekend.

Who said that there isn't a staff in place or signed? I feel confident the team, recruits and anyone else who needs to know, has the knowledge they need.

You must not be counting how many fans were there, just how many seats they took up.

You mean he communicated the only two ways the media could find out through open record requests? Doubtful.

Kennedy absolutely killed it in this opinion piece. Something like this should have been put out two weeks ago. http://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/op-ed-columns/4248122-und-president-college-sports-are-expensive-its-worth-it

Actually, if surveys said there was interest in women's hockey, I don't know how NDSU could defend not adding it with how far off their ratios are. Those surveys are literally what they base their entire Title IX compliance on. Now if you want to argue that the surveys will never suggest that, I could believe that.

Weird how Kolpack left out his own fact that NDSU uses more direct state appropriated funds. Also incredibly strange that neither the USA Today or EADA reports a show anything even close to those numbers for either school. But we'll never see the source data he used. NDSU also has to directly attribute student funds and contributions to their sports to get them to the level they are at. UND doesn't do either (outside of some small direct contributions).

He also thinks he can run a high end program for 2/3's of what he's has been running a slightly above average program at. So I apologize for being skeptical.

Clearly they are different allocations going on. Somehow NDSU shows $490K in revenue for women's basketball despite terrible attendance. UND is around $310K. Wonder what else they are dropping into the revenue side? The NDSU football revenue also includes $1.2 million in contributions that are somehow specifically allocated, whereas UND has minimal sport specific allocations.

Well what in the hell was UND spending $2 million on a slightly above average team if a high-end program can be done for 2/3's of that? Also, someone should show him the numbers and inform him that WIH will no longer get a free pass on Facilities expense as long as they are an REA tenant, so that eats up nearly 1/3 of "his proposed budget".

I don't think anyone here disagrees with you. The bigger problem is the public perception they push isn't an accurate narrative and the average person not only doesn't see the difference, they don't care to look into it to understand it.

You tried to make your point with a false equivalency. North Dakota could have the highest tax rates in the nation and whether or not you got a $20 refund still wouldn't matter, yet you used that to try to show that ND has low tax rates. Also not sure what the length of the federal tax code has to do with those tax rates (other than making them confusing, which does not necessarily mean high), but I digress. As already stated, the state gets their money in multiple ways (income, property, sales). Looking at the huge spike in spending the last decade, I don't think revenues are the big problem in North Dakota. Throwing more money, through whatever tax increase, doesn't solve the underlying problems, it just further kicks the can down the road. Budget cuts are uncomfortable, but sometimes that is necessary.

Strangely glossed over was the cost of the program. Mentioned in passing but only to compare it too football, which of course ignored the revenues that football brings in.

You realize that what you get for a refund (or pay in) has zero to do with actual tax rates and everything to do whether or not you have the proper right? You owe what you owe and a refund just means you paid in more during the year than you were required. Also, if you are so inclined, since tax rates are so low, you are more than free to pay more than you are legally obligated. Nothing is stopping you from paying higher than required rates so you don't feel like you are looking for a free lunch.

UND swept future conference mate SDSU today at Apollo. They are predicted to finish middle of the pack in the league.

He excluded it for all sports. Makes the numbers look worse obviously. Not sure I agree his method but it is arguable. It's more than likely a combination of "earned" and "unearned" revenue. Things like work study and mandated tuition waivers are included in there as are things like unrestricted funds and unrestricted endowment funds directed by the University. The NCAA report is very useful, however it also has a significant amount of revenues and expenses that are unallocated and is by no means perfect. Wish more schools would make it public...

The number that came out that was needed for the second round of cuts and the hiring of the Title IX consultants/lawyers was a dead giveaway. It just came down to whether they got sufficient answers and they had the guts to do what makes sense financially instead of trying to not rock the boat too much.