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I don't know the exact costs, I'm just stating exactly what I was told by someone who had knowledge of it. I thought the exact same thing and agree that T-Mobile would have been better and told them that. They obviously underestimated the market. If you didn't read the announcement, I guess its your own fault: http://www.undsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=211086390

Pretty sure the date was mid-December. The game was announced in July as was the statement that Champions Club members would get pre-sale opportunities. That was plenty of time.

Exactly. UND allocated the majority of the tickets to the people who directly support the athletic department. Would have been a pretty cheap investment this year when $135 would have gotten you an easy way to get 2 regional tickets and 4 Vegas tickets.

Not unless Champions Club members are the ones putting them there. That is who got most of the tickets They did plenty of looking into the T-Mobile Arena. The risk tied with the cost/guarantee didn't make it feasible.

Is that you Joe Chapman?

If Kolpack's numbers are to be believed, how is NDSU athletics relying on 60% more state funding than UND, yet UND is looking at making much more drastic cuts? (Hint - his numbers are off)

Simple Dan: Teller of #AlternateFacts before they went mainstream.

Considering it is going to be around a 20% across the board on state funding to the Universities and the athletic department receives state and school support, I'm not sure how you could read it any other way. I guess they could just exempt the athletic department but the backlash would be huge (and rightfully so) if academics had to pick up extra cuts because they didn't do their fair share.

I used that assumption. But that means the increase (which is impressive but doesn't actually cover the full announced amount of FCOA) is being used entirely for scholarships/FCOA and isn't being used to fund what would on the surface should equate to a $1.3 million cut. I'm using the definition of school funds that USA today uses: "Includes both direct and indirect support from the university, including state funds, tuition, tuition waivers etc., as well as federal Work Study amounts for student workers employed by athletics department. It also includes the value of university-provided support such as administrative services, facilities and grounds maintenance, security, risk management, utilities, depreciation and debt service that is not charged to the athletics department." I'm having a hard time trying to figure out why the rest of the campus would have to look at their budget and make cuts why the athletic department would get to pick and choose and only look at less than 10% of their budget and trim that. The numbers don't add up. Maybe there is still excess funds available from the dining hall, who knows?

I have no clue where Caillou gets his numbers (but I know where he got his education!!). Per USA Today, in 2015, NDSU got $6.6 million from direct institutional support out of their $22.3 million budget (29.4%). UND got $7.3 million of direct institutional support out of their $24.3 million budget (30.2%). So pretty close on that front. This doesn't include student fees, which UND relies heavier on and was approved by UND students in a vote. NDSU students rejected NDSU's athletic department to raise theirs last year, mostly due to how bad they botched their presentations. Because travel and equipment and stuff... Using 2015 numbers (most recent available) and rough calculations, if the state funding is going to be cut around 20%, that means that UND and NDSU will have to come up with ways to shore up around $1.46 million and $1.32 million respectively for the athletic departments to take on their fair share of budget reductions. UND is doing what it needs to do and looking at cutting sports, mainly because they sponsor too many for their size at the D-1 level and can't possibly make them all competitive (and finally doing what they should have done a decade ago). NDSU obviously can't cut any sports if it wants to keep any hope at all for a move up or (at least the illusion of one) since the FBS requires 16, which NDSU currently sponsors, while FCS requires 14. NDSU's fundraising is up around $300K, which, assuming no other rising costs, still leaves around $1 million of what they hypothetically need, but that doesn't include any funding any of the FCOA. Maybe the Teammakers donations don't account for those funds but reading their releases, I have a hard time seeing how they wouldn't. Per the Forum article, apparently their budget for this year is slated to be less than it was in 2015, so it is possible they had done some reductions already to cover some of it but somehow the rest of the plan seems to be not hiring two positions that previously didn't even exist and that is going to bridge the shortfall. I am really confused on where the Forum got their data from, which actually make UND look better than they are. But looking at what is publicly available and seems to be more accurate, I guess I'm not following the numbers and have no clue how they make any sense but I'm sure now that the Forum did their "duty" and said there won't be any issues, it won't be brought up or questioned again.

UND has no answer for Willey or Bogdan. Guess that size shouldn't be able to move or handle the ball like that at this level. Need to get Bogdan his fifth. Go at him.

Won't argue his talent and I don't think that has nothing to do with why he isn't on the team. We've definitely seen bad team chemistry hold back teams in the past, possibly a lesson learned by the staff to try to prevent that in the future. Not sure if he caught on at another program or not, I wish the kid well and hope he finds success.

Sometimes there is addition by subtraction.

I assume you just mean switch UND's game correct? 2020 UND - @NDSU, @SDSU, USD USD - NDSU, @SDSU, @UND NDSU - SDSU, @USD, UND SDSU - @NDSU, USD, UND 2021 UND - NDSU, SDSU, @USD USD - @NDSU, SDSU, UND NDSU - @SDSU, USD, @UND SDSU - NDSU, @USD, @UND

Thanks for the update. I know a UM ticket holder who was still waiting to hear back but hadn't got any info yet. Minnesota was given a small allotment of tickets, as visiting teams are for any game, and reading between the lines, they are using everything internally.

I mean, it totally would have made sense to turn down a job that offered almost a 50% raise at a larger university that also isn't dealing with huge budget cuts, but people wrote him nice e-mails and that is clearly what changed his mind.

Fixed it for you.

UND's actually slightly positive on rebounding margin this year. Not sure on the thinking behind Walters but seems like all of UND's bigs have been dinged up at one point or another this year and with the senior talent, you do what you need to.

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Short-term outlook, just looking at this game and nothing else: Boston winning moves UND to 9 and BC falls to 10. BC winning moves UND to 8 and BC stays at 7. Northeastern winning helps UND out slightly as well .

Interesting. I'm positive that they got some, though not many. Maybe they meant they didn't receive any that will be released to the public (just team/family/huge donors).

Looking at the map early in the process, there appeared to be two or three small sections carved out with pretty much the rest available. My guess is there will be a very limited amount left for the public sale.

I don't think UND is all of the sudden in much superior conferences nor do I think they are downgrading. As I've stated many times, both conferences have their pluses and minuses. There are plenty of things I will miss about the Big Sky and don't care for in the Summit/MVFC. There are things I like about the Summit/MVFC that I didn't care for in the Big Sky. In basketball, both are one bid leagues. In football, both are multiple bid leagues. None of that will change regardless of which conference UND is in. Nor will it change history, which shows UND getting into the Big Sky and NDSU being denied twice. Different times, different circumstances, sure, but it still is what it is. I mean, it wouldn't be any different than a decade ago when there were NDSU fans who thought the Big Sky was the greatest thing ever and couldn't wait to join. Member?

There is no doubt that the football team is in the red on paper, but as a pure ROI, it is a much better deal. It offers around 100 opportunities for that price and that also doesn't take into account the 20+ kids who are on the team but paying tuition, that otherwise wouldn't be at UND nor the Champions Club donations that are given strictly because of the football program. On the flip side, you have a handful of women's players who aren't on scholarship and no major donations tied to the program existing. And the loss is being done for the benefit of 25 student athletes, or 1/4 of what football provides. While small on a relative scale, FCS football also provides the opportunity for much more exposure (marketing) for the University. One of them also shows growth potential, as even this year there was a large uptick in ticket sales to the tune of over six figures. WIH had two of the best players in the world, both who happened to be from Grand Forks, and still couldn't get anything resembling a decent crowd (outside the $1 ticket promotions against Minnesota). I get what I think your point is: Football loses money too, why isn't it being considered. The money football loses is overstated somewhat due to revenues that aren't included while WIH is understated due to having expenses ignored. Football offers 4x more opportunities than WIH. Football is also providing opportunity for local kids, with around 15% of the kids being from ND while there is currently 1 ND girl on the WIH roster.

Crawling back? Seems like UND got everything they wanted out of the deal. Lower travel costs and a home for their football team, despite the fact that it doesn't really benefit the MVFC. Seems like the Summit wanted a 10th team enough that the schools in the league had no issue adding an unneeded team to their football conference.