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I was going to include that but M&W Tennis are the only ones listed that actually have any facility cost attributed to them ($22,500 each for M&W). While WIH facility costs are higher, I figured it wasn't fair to single them out on that. Not that it matters, the numbers speak for themselves without it.

Total Operating Revenues: MS&D - $31,458 WS&D - $36,194 MT - $0 WT - $88 WS - $26,279 WIH - $29,239 Total Expenses: MS&D - $358,041 WS&D - $591,646 MT - $99,453 WT - $213,294 WS - $615,150 WIH - $1,429,827 Women's hockey seems like the obvious one to me. See how easy that was. Just for fun: Net Cost and Net Cost/Participant MS&D - ($326,583) - $13,608 WS&D - ($555,452) - $18,515 MT - ($99,453) - $11,050 WT - ($213,206) - $19,382 WS - ($588,871) - $26,767 WIH - ($1,400,588) - $53,869

UM has a junior day camp coming up this weekend. I'd expect a lot of their in-state offers to go out then, in person.

And sense!

What will be nice going forward is the budget will be fixed and balanced on Big Sky travel/revenues, meaning that in a couple years there will be additional savings from lowered travel costs that instead can be reinvested into the programs. Cut what we need now and make everything stronger.

I think they want him to form a committee, they are basically trained to expect that response instead of action at this point.

If the Summit league had allowed UND to join as an affiliate member 4-5 years ago, story might have been different.

He is absolutely deadly playing the high post with his short to mid range game.

So cut 4-5 sports that are in UND's future conference and over 100 opportunities or just cut one sport and a quarter of the amount of opportunities and save roughly the same amount of money....?

Big Sky reffing at its best, need the crowd to know they are there.

Administration taking huge cuts along with everyone else. Wow, didn't think I'd see the day. There is hope! Now only if there was a way to clear up the athletic cuts with a single swoop and effect a minimal amount of programs/student athletes...

I don't think you guys are too far off...

Hockey has little to no bearing on the TV contract/revenues that the B1G schools get from the B1G Network, but that is where any money that UND gets would have to come from. There are 8 schools who don't play hockey and plus I really don't think UND is going to bring a huge amount of fans to Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State or Ohio State. I'm not saying its not possible and the original post even states it is an uphill battle, but you're going to have to convince over half the conference to give up some of their money regardless of how small of the amount is, relatively speaking. They very well may, and it needs to benefit both sides. I just see it as a hard sell to 8 out of 14 schools that it doesn't benefit at all plus a few more that will see minimal benefit. It is broken out separately from NCAA distributions, which also shows money directly attributed to men's hockey.

Are you sure about that? UND's financials show conference distributions for men's hockey. Until a dollar amount is put on that revenue share, I'm skeptical. B1G hockey is a time-slot filler for the B1G Network, not a money maker. How much money are the other schools (especially those that don't have hockey) willing to give up to add an affiliate member that doesn't do anything to move the needle for the conference as a whole, thus adding value to the TV contract? Like I've stated from the beginning, the guarantee of a revenue share and guaranteed future affiliation regardless of other circumstances are the two things that have to make sense for UND to consider the deal. If those two things are in place, then it makes sense from UND's point of view. Without both of them, I don't see it making sense.

So you are stating that if UND is offered a spot in the B1G with no financial incentives (which is what Notre Dame and Johns Hopkins get) and no guarantee of continued affiliation down the road (say if another B1G starts hockey), they still wouldn't turn it down? Seems like it would be an absolute train wreck of an idea to me. In that kind of scenario, UND is paying a bunch of money to give up all their leverage just to say they get to sit at the cool kids table without a permanent spot.

Financial sense as in what kind of cut does UND get of B1G revenues along with the obvious exit fee. You think Fox Sports is going to start bidding on UND's contracts? Are they going to offer the sports wide coverage along with all the extras that Midco does? How exactly is losing UMD or Omaha (in the odd chance the B1G is actually truly considering them) some sort of huge financial risk when they would be replaced by Mankato in a heartbeat or ASU if they ever get their arena figured out? The REA is at or near sellout regardless of the opponent and neither of the schools bring a huge contingent to the Final Five, which is dependent on UND making it every year or that they don't miss it multiple years in a row and eat up their contingency fund. UND doesn't need to accept an offer on the B1G's terms. UND and the NCHC will be just fine even if they were to lose UMD or Omaha.

That's a pretty blanket statement. UND won't accept it "just because", the offer would have to make financial sense and come with protective guarantees for UND, both of which would require B1G presidents to give ground to a University they see as at least a step below them.

My understanding is that there was supposed to be a secondary logo designed with the primary one. Whatever it was SME came up with got completely shelved because no one liked it. I don't know where they are in the process of coming up with something new but if I had to guess, they probably decided to let the primary one settle in and they will release some sort of secondary one after the interlocking ND is retired. I can't imagine being anything even close to the Stengl design, it will be something that compliments the primary logo, not something that is completely different.

So you're saying UND's defense is already set up to do well in the MVFC? UND's defensive backfield managed just fine last year being tied for second in the nation in interceptions despite their All-American safety missing a couple games.

Like the B1G, the NCHC doesn't want to be at an odd number. Mankato needed ASU to get added for them to have a chance. ASU still remains the key, they just need to get their arena situation straightened out. The B1G was looking just as hard at ASU as the NCHC was and both delayed making any decision for the same reason.

He did. And the article is behind a paywall. Very professional. But since he did: The like-minded institution thing is huge, much bigger than the guy give credence to, though he does admit that it is an uphill battle. I'm also having a hard time buying UNO and UMD as back-ups. I'll agree with the B1G not wanting to stay at 7. I still say ASU (the second they get their arena figured out) is more likely. UND was not "taken aback" when the NCHC looked at ASU. That whole paragraph is full of inaccuracies. They were fully aware of the plusses and minuses of ASU, as is everyone else.

This would be my top choice out of places they haven't been if it was possible. The Smoothie King Center was equipped to make ice 15 years ago when an ECHL team played there, but I can't find anything on whether the equipment is still installed or not, particularly after Hurricane Katrina. It doesn't look like its hosted any events with ice any time recently so I'm guessing it probably isn't anymore. University of New Orleans Lakefront Arena might have ice making capabilities since it has hosted some Disney on Ice events. Seating capacity is right around 9,000.

You're assuming that the B1G hockey makes money, which I find hard to believe at this point. The revenue they would want/need to share in would be the conference revenue and that would require the rest of the B1G members to OK it, including those that don't play hockey. Plausible? Sure, but again, would have to be worthwhile and come with some protections. UND already has a TV deal with Midco, I don't see that changing. That song and dance has been used forever and hasn't led to a single OOC game against Miami, Western Michigan, Denver or Omaha in any sports. At best, UND would get offered a chance to play at some B1G locations in those sports, which they already do (with the exception of Iowa traveling here in WBB this season). And you're saying that UMD or Omaha would be invited if UND turns it down? I don't see the other B1G schools excited to share the "B1G prestige" with those schools (and I include UND in that). Arizona State has a better chance than anything mentioned here but they can't get their arena situation figured out. I don't doubt the B1G is exploring options and I'll have no issue being the first to admit I was wrong if it happens but I guess I'm not buying what you're selling.

The financial incentives and guarantees would have to make it more than worthwhile, especially considering the buyout from the NCHC is something like $1.1 million. The only exceptions the B1G has made for affiliate members are Johns Hopkins lacrosse and Notre Dame hockey. As much as I like UND, they are nowhere in the same class as either of those schools.

It is basically semantics at this point. The issue most are taking here is with the comment that the hire is a "grand slam". If the original comment would have been something along the lines of "it was a good hire of a guy that has a lot of experience", I don't think there would have been much issue with it. I'll stand by my original comment, he was on Klieman's radar because of their past relationship, not because he has had a ton of success.