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It isn't the fact that it lost money. It is the fact that it lost money like no other sport on campus and it isn't even close. Cost per student athlete was 2-3x any other sport at minimum. If you bothered to watch the press conference, cuts are done. UND went above and beyond and will soon be recognizing some conference realignment benefits. I know it is easier to have a knee jerk reaction instead of looking into the facts, but give it a whirl.

The people criticizing UND are completely ignoring this. The other option was to leave WIH and then cut 2-3 more sports, impacting even more student athletes. These cuts weren't done for fun, they were done out of necessity, meaning something has to go. Cutting WIH by and away makes the largest financial impact and while impacting the fewest amount of student-athletes no matter how you measure it.

Hard numbers do not appear to be included in press release or brief FAQ. Hopefully at some point they will be put out and put an immediate stop to all the false accusations that will be coming out.

Exactly. I hope the press release spells out the costs of what they are cutting and why, it is really tough to dispute the reasoning when the numbers are on the table. Obviously the usual suspects are already out crying sexism and Title IX but they have no clue on the actual numbers and won't bother checking into them. Apparently a sport that has a net cost that is over twice as much per any other student athlete on campus is worth it just because. I guess they would have been fine with cutting 2-3x more sports and student-athlete opportunities because somehow that is fair.

Because it has nothing to do with the team on the ice and everything to do with people not being able to accept change of a logo/name that has changed multiple times since UND was started. Absolutely not. The good news is we can now move on to something we'll agree on, confirmation already swirling on twitter and will be confirmed at 3:30.

One specific chant needs to stop. It's embarrassing whether people realize or not. Get rid of that and the criticism of those who won't move on will die down. Don't care about the rest of it but the name and logo are gone and not coming back, correct? I'm not getting rid of any of my Sioux stuff, still wear/display it and don't think anyone else should either. But I can accept its now a historical item and in fact it is not "Sioux Forever".

The multiple "Sioux Forever" chants at every UND hockey game need to stop. Wear whatever you want, especially since they are still selling merchandise with the old logos, but realize that the name and logo are gone and not coming back and deal with it. There isn't a single student-athlete left who played under that name or logo.

They never won a championship wearing the Brien logo either but they have won one while known as the Fighting Hawks. So what is your point?

Not quite sure what that means. You asked someone about being at the game because that was apparently required to validate their opinion. I was there and shared the unsolicited responses I saw to the new logo. Like I said, wasn't accusing or including you in what I saw, just sharing it.

I was. Some of the reactions I got to the Hawks shirt I had on didn't do anything to change my mind about there being a "hockey-only" group who's main concern is a retired logo. Not at all accusing you of being in that group, just stating my experience.

I don't bother with the print version of either of them, but there has been plenty of UND stuff on the Forum's website. I get what your point is, but they are literally just filling space with articles they don't have to pay for and are of at least a little local interest. The Herald is just reprinting stuff already done by under the Forum Communications umbrella. Schlossman and Miller have both had articles appear in the Fargo Forum for the same reason. Edit - That wasn't directly at you, more of a general "no need to sound the alarms" post. It definitely was originally presented as something more than it was, causing some of the reactions.

Slow sports time, so the Herald is running articles from the Forum to eat up what would probably just be Associated Press articles instead. The Forum does the same, running articles from the Herald. However the Forum has a dedicated beat writer to the football team, which is why you are seeing more football specific articles on NDSU. I'd love to see more coverage on the UND football team but there definitely isn't some grand conspiracy.

Retrench? How would anyone be able to tell the difference? UND has a good amount of say in what goes on at the REA, but to ensure that it doesn't matter, the interlocking ND has about two months to go until it's retired (and look what logo ended up on the ice in a Fargo). There will be no alternatives for the shoulder patches or the ice, it will be the new logo.

They tried to appease too many people instead of just ripping the Band-Aid off, which just allowed the issues to linger. It appears they have finally figured out that strategy wasn't working.

USD is already subsidizing their athletic department to the tune of over 60%, which is significantly higher than any of the other Dakota schools. Have to imagine some boosters stepped up to the plate and offered up the cash.

If only people would have had the foresight to suggest UND could greatly improve their academic and athletic success if they could focus on "UND" instead of the anchor that was around its neck.

Why cut off the program at knees so it can be even less successful and even less people will care when you can just cut it completely and use that money to elevate other programs? Touching the funding to any degree will cause an outage and moving them out of the REA will mean other programs are going to have to be elevated in some sense, just pull the plug if you're going to do something. Trimming budgets of programs will lead to mediocrity.

And the backlash about "shoving it down people's throat" is embarrassing.

The schools are mailed the physical tickets and have only hard copies, so no electronic copies are ever created. That would likely end up as an even bigger mess to handle on a short turnaround and semi-large scale. It is less of a hassle for them to have someone sit in the lobby to distribute tickets than it is for them trying to e-mail out tickets and having people calling with technical issues. Since the schools are the ones selling the tickets and have the info, it doesn't makes sense to have 4 different schools trying to give the information to the ticket office to try to deal with, especially when they aren't being paid for it.

So which one can I drop your name at?

I thought that was kind of strange to until I realized they are doing a doubleheader on 11/18 and UM/MSU play each other. Surprised they aren't just showing a replay of the game once it was completed.

No arguments there. But at least there were small subsections adding to the diversity. Right now it is has basically turned in to "Boy, really hope UND makes it". They obviously have worked on preparing for a worst-case scenario by building up a reserve but what happens if/when UND were to miss it back to back years or 2 out of 3? They weren't. No one is saying the TC is better for watching hockey than the X, because it isn't. If that was literally the only other factor, it is a no-brainer. However there are a ton of other variables that come into play (cost, access, area, availability, etc, etc) and there are a lot of people who think returning to the X means the return of the Final Five when it isn't.

Then they should really work on the assistant salary pool. Fun fact: Jones has never had the same assistant coaching staff in back to back seasons since he started as UND's head coach. Can't imagine that has been real helpful...

Again, he literally covers ever single angle you claim he doesn't. He lays it out objectively and highlights the benefits and downfalls of all three options. It seems like you are trying to push a narrative from his post that isn't there. I've literally heard people I know who have said that they wish it was at the X because the Final Five was better. There are a lot of people who don't realize how big of an impact on losing UM/UW/Mankato/Bemidji will have on the atmosphere.

They don't and aren't going to, so it doesn't really matter, but in your hypothetical scenario, I don't think it guarantees them entry into the B1G or NCHC. However it does remove what continues to be brought up as by far the biggest hurdle they have. Take out that roadblock and further vetting and discussion can take place, which on the NCHC side is going to be more dominoes needing to fall because they don't want to be at an odd number, whereas the B1G is already there and it solves their problem in short order.