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Today the SBoHE to consider presendent Kennedy contract extension.

Someone mentioned on here that the new Med School cost more than The Ralph but maybe not when you consider the value of $ over time since 2001 when it opened. Well it's pretty close, The Ralph with The Betty and the many added improvements have just as many $ put in as the Med School, without adjusting for the value of money over time.

Neither does the Alerus. UND Athletic Department & The Ralph Again, thx for coming way over here and helping out.

It used to be entertainment with Moser and DaveK?

I don't have time to dig for this today, but from my recolection: Betty donated some $ for The Betty

HPC phase II is needed asap. Hopefully we start hearing a lot about the developement and progress of this drive to finish the HPC.

You're the expert, I don't know that anyone even taught of that scenario? Thx, for telling us we are doing it wrong and coming all the way over here and giving us a few pointers. You have no clue and are so dangerously lost that you should keep a map in your back pocket at all times.

Sioux for ever

Now I am just as much a UND FB fan as hockey fan and MBB & WBB are just a little behind. MH - If we are to keep up with the Hatfields, McCoys, MN's, Wisco's, Bostons'; the state legislature inadvertantly gave us the tools to do it. The Ralph could of been owned by the U with a receptive legislature, instead of the lease we are in, but then would President Kennedy be raping The Ralph $. Good ? FB - If we are to keep up to the 2 XDSU's, USD, NI, Montana's; we need a large donor, group of donars, winning seasons, more seating capacity, higher salaries, etc. We can't expect hockey to get us there. BB - That's a tough one, with the 3,000 seat realatively new Betty? Sure we can play some big games on the ice. Need more $, then again BB needs to make more $. HPC phase II needs to get done very soon. The Betty be paid for in 2020.

Thank you KEM Now if Coach Berry would of said thank you Chaves instead, that could be contrued as money from the U's general fund which comes from the state because the AD isn't self sufficient.

Looking forward to seeing him play again. But, still a Viking fan, team of the most climatic disappointments, although Diggs got us one back.

The raise meeting? Attended by KEM, Berry, AD, Pres. Next, announced that Berry gets raise and he thanks KEM in the press release.

Will Carson be injury prone and Foles back in?

Simple ? Did you mean SFE crowd?

ND state legislature is the one to shoot arrows at. They didn't want the state to own The Palace on the Prairie for fear of funding it's survival? Dub has a pretty good handle on how this is set up. Div II football was doing OK under this setup. Div I requires more $ for each sport. All $ stay within UND and The Ralph, as per Strinden. UND general fund bails out the AD. NCAA requires 14 sports. Most sports lose money. If AD gets all FB ticket revenue right away instead of 48% nothing changes at the end of the school year because the $500,000 from The Ralph would NOT be given to AD at the end of the school year. The FB program is still short and therefor would not have any more to spend. The AD gets bailed out by the U, not a good scenario, especially in these budget challenging times. FB and any other sport need donations to get to the next level. The Alerus puts a handicap on FB program paying it's own because of the seating capacity, granted it's not an issue yet, but it will be. What this arrangement does do until September 30, 2030, is let The Ralph spend hockey made $ on MH without the consent of UND. Remember why KEM was lately in GF and Coach Berry thanked her. The AD isn't paying the $100,000 raise.

Except for the fact that these type of players usually are good enough to find a new home somewhere? Something like 19 credits can be more of a challenge.

I used digital tickets for the Wild playoff game in the blizzard and the Vikings game against Dallas. Bought the tickets on line and had them emailed to me, never printed them. I have tons of sports ticket stubs, some were even ripped in half at the gate. These will be a thing of the past since most digital will probably never be printed out by the consumer?

If there was hope, our financial weaknesses and cutting sports put the nail in the coffin. There is more talk now by non-hockey schools in the B1G about showing interest in Div I hockey.

First I ever seen it printed with the double? N-C-Double-A

NCAA

MN took in $14M and we took in $1.6M. Crandall is gone, tough to compete in MBB with the large schools.

Paint chips could have lead which in turn could cause lead poisoning, not a good idea. gfhockey is a keeper and our inside guy in the gobc.

Like your sights down the road! These P5 games do bring some bacon home and are exciting to have on the early schedule.

I remember this was talked about at the beginning. Could of been a combination of both (Ralph's concerns of the U not managing like he would of wanted and the Legislature having concerns of getting a request to help pay the bills)

This 2000 article sheds some light on initial ownership. ENGELSTAD ARENA: Cost to top $80 million Architect working with want list, not budget By Michael Benedict Herald Staff Writer The new Engelstad Arena is expected to cost in excess of $80 million. The price tag for the arena was estimated at $65 million to $70 million in September, and the estimate before construction started was about $50 million. Interviewed Monday, a principle with the architectural firm that designed the arena said Ralph Engelstad never mandated a $50 million budget for the arena. When Engelstad, a UND alumnus and casino owner, announced a donation of $100 million to UND in December 1998, he said then that half of the money -- $40 million to $50 million -- would fund the new arena. Engelstad and UND didn't know then where they would spend the remainder. The casino owner declined to talk to the Herald for this article, but through a spokeswoman, he did confirm the arena will cost "$80-million plus." "All I know is we're trying to build what Ralph wants," said James Kobetsky, the principle with the building's design firm, Schoen Associates. "We didn't really have a budget. (He) was telling us what to design." At the end of 1998, Engelstad also didn't know what such a facility would cost, said Earl Strinden, emeritus chief executive officer of the UND Alumni Association and Foundation. Strinden said Engelstad came up with the $40 million to $50 million total based on other university arenas he toured before his donation announcement. Strinden said the new Engelstad with its 11,400 seats won't be the largest university arena in the country. "It will be a facility that will be the finest in the world," Strinden said. "It will be a diamond." He said UND President Charles Kupchella and Engelstad continue to discuss the remainder of the $100-million gift. Among highlights that weren't included in initial thoughts, a building connected to the arena that will contain an indoor, Olympic-size ice sheet for practice and other community needs. The extra building cost several million dollars, Strinden said. "Ralph and UND wanted to get everything in they wanted," said Kobetsky, adding material costs are lower here than in other areas of the country. "At this point, we're getting very good value for the money. Another highlight is a 3-foot-high, 900-foot-long video screen that wraps the arena for instant replays, scores and "more excitement." Called dasher boards, the boards that will surround the main building's NHL-size rink also are spring-loaded. The boards flex four inches on impact, which will lead to fewer hockey injuries. In large construction projects, there are always add-ons, but, with 95 percent of the building's contract bids now final, Kobetsky said he doesn't anticipate costs will continue to increase. "These are the kind of things (Engelstad) spent more money on," Kobetski said. "He knows exactly what he wants in the facility to make it more successful." Through his Arena Construction Inc. and Ralph Engelstad Arena Inc., Engelstad technically owns and operates the new arena, but he does plan to give it to the university soon after it's completed, said Strinden. For charitable tax reasons -- to prove the property valuable -- Engelstad's lease agreement with UND, however, state's he can own the facility until Sept. 30, 2030. "His full intentions are that it will be turned over to the university in the very near future," Strinden said. "I do know in my visit with him, he will turn it over." Any profit the facility makes in his ownership, Engelstad plans to donate to UND athletics. Grand Forks Herald, October 17, 2000 http://und-fraud.com/UND/Campus/Arena/engelstad_arena.htm What went wrong or maybe right since the beginning ??????? The lease continues. Ralph Engelstad never gave the building (shortly after completion) to UND. It now won't happen till September 30th, 2030, why? The ND State Legislature was not eager with the responsibility of possible paying for potential operating financial shortfalls of the Diamond. Imagine that? This concern eventually brought Ms. Kris McGarry into our lives? Issues? Would the hockey program and building still be top tier if UND owned the building shortly after it's completion, and would UND be diverting funds elsewhere? Would The Betty have ever been built? Or, maybe the state legislature should of should said thank you for The Ralph? The whole initial $100 million that Ralph donated to UND went into the arena plus $4M. The building was paid for before the first puck was dropped, amazing!