The Sicatoka

Ask someone who's lived in north Grand Forks, Devils Lake, or Wahpeton less than 10 years what the moniker of the local high school is. You'll hear "Knights", "Firebirds", or "Huskies". They've never heard of "Redskins", "Satans", or "Wops". That's also what the influx of people in the west will bring.

Fetch, you're off the rails. I've asked the board Administrator to review and moderate.

Those are stages of grief and mourning, not necessarily death. You're slowly coming to grips that the moniker could end and UND would carry on.

Now that's a direct, personal attack. Noted. PS - Is Dave Hakstol one of the "weird-o's" too? Just want to be clear.

Fetch: Your random ranting just shows me that you are progressing (or maybe struggling internally) on your walk along the Kubler-Ross grief model.

Fetch: Your random ranting just shows me that you are progressing (or maybe struggling internally) on your walk along the Kubler-Ross grief model.

If the state grows as predicted, what guarantee is there that today's demographics will be tomorrow's demographics? Someone's making some big assumptions about the future. Sanctions are here and now.

Those are fine thoughts and theories (that I'm sure are quite as relevant as the price of tea in China to this discussion), but I live in a world where UND is under sanctions here and now. That needs to be dealt with here and now.

To know comparable schools you'd need to know more about a school than "it has a hockey team" or is it "there's a school associated with that hockey team?"

ND is sick of this issue. There are a lot of voters seeing this as a way to put it to bed.

You're confusing too many side issues. Here's the core: On August 5, 2005, the NCAA set a new policy regarding Native America related monikers. It had nothing to do with Mr. Engelstad, changing divisions, conferences, or anything else. The NCAA set a new rule for their members. Their club. Their rules.

No, those are NCAA DII and DIII schools. NCAA sanctions still apply. They could shun UND because of the moniker.

The NCAA is Division I, II, and III. UND would face these sanctions in any NCAA division. They apply to NCAA members at all levels. If you don't want those sanctions you have to go outside the NCAA.

Some may need help with this quote from Dave's press conference. I've bolded the tricky words. "I don't see any way that the University of North Dakota can become a fully successful Division I entity across all sports if we continue to mandate by law the use of the 'Fighting Sioux'. Simply put, in my opinion, it will likely diminish our hockey program over time, possibly slowly over time, but also in my opinion, I think it would be extremely damaging to all of the other sports on our campus in the future." entity: The total Athletic Department, not just hockey. campus: Where the University of North Dakota has existed, does exist, and will continue to exist, in Grand Forks, no matter the moniker used in the past, present, or future. And one more ... University of North Dakota: an institution that educates students and does nationally and internationally recognized reseach. It also has an athletic department with some fairly successful programs.

Some quotes from Dave Hakstol's press conference back in February: " ... insurmountable challenges for some of our programs ... " "I don't see any way that the University of North Dakota can become a fully successful Division I entity across all sports if we continue to mandate by law the use of the 'Fighting Sioux'. Simply put, in my opinion, it will likely diminish our hockey program over time, possibly slowly over time, but also in my opinion, I think it would be extremely damaging to all of the other sports on our campus in the future."

Hakstol's press conference (linked above): " ... insurmountable challenges for some of our programs ... " "I don't see any way that the University of North Dakota can become a fully successful Division I entity across all sports if we continue to mandate by law the use of the 'Fighting Sioux'. Simply put, in my opinion, it will likely diminish our hockey program over time, possibly slowly over time, but also in my opinion, I think it would be extremely damaging to all of the other sports on our campus in the future."

Yup, and most want to play at home in the playoffs and sanctions will never allow that.

There was no personal attack. No one was called a {bleep} or anything of the sort. And I frequently have other moderators look at threads I'm involved in. (There's a whole moderation forum on this board that only moderators can see where we track and monitor everyone, including each other.)

Dave Hakstol, reaching his pragmatic answer: http://www.fightingsioux.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=205380595 Listen. Learn.

I am one of the moderators.

Listen to Dave Hakstol for yourself: http://www.fightings...TCLID=205380595 "It will likely diminish our hockey program over time." Not "could be", Hakstol says "likely". If UND kept the name: "We would win a singular battle ... but, really, if we choose that path we lose control over so many key issues ... be at the mercy of others ... " <-- This precisely explains where the pragmatist Dave Hakstol is at. And Hak does state his personal opinion in the press conference, but comes to the pragmatic answer. Listen. Learn.

Translated: I'll be bringing in my own staff.

The moderators are listening.

I'd love Cary to answer two questions: 1. How do you personally feel about the moniker? 2. How should UND deal with the moniker when it comes to the long-term interests of the hockey programs, student-athletes, and the University? Are you sure you'd want Cary to answer question 2? Remember, Dave Hakstol was just a hardcore as anyone and he's admitted the name could be a long-term detriment to even mens hockey at UND.

Three tiers of Division I football ... ah yes, the "everyone gets a trophy" youth soccer model.