UND92,96 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Another reason he was able to balance the budget, but as Shawn-O points out there is more to an athletic budget than break even points.... I guess Buning must not subscribe to the theory that it takes money (more marketing) to make money (more tickets sold). It seems like common sense to me, but what do I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I guess Buning must not subscribe to the theory that it takes money (more marketing) to make money (more tickets sold). Exactly what I was thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 My company's legal department disagrees with you. I'm glad you are so confident that you can write there is "no legal grounds for anything aka a lawsuit". I just haven't seen enough documentation yet to be confident either way. I am not sure if a public university is different, but The state of North Dakota is a "Right-to-Work" state, but moreover.....does not have an exemption for "Covenant-of-good-faith" of the "Employment-at-Will" doctorine. I don't know where your company is located but in ND I can be fired for any reason, but that is why there is a judicial system and things can change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I am not sure if a public university is different, but The state of North Dakota is a "Right-to-Work" state, but moreover.....does not have an exemption for "Covenant-of-good-faith" of the "Employment-at-Will" doctorine. I don't know where your company is located but in ND I can be fired for any reason, but that is why there is a judicial system and things can change. I thought the discussion was more focused on lawsuit possibilities than whether or not Buning could be fired in the first place. I think we'd all agree he can be fired, the questions come in as to whether UND has reason not to pay him for the terms of his contract, or conversely, does Buning have cause to sue for damages above and beyond his contract terms. However, this isn't entirely true...in ND I can be fired for any reason Ask George Ellis. You have to be able to convince a judge though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Does it really matter in the long run what's going on? I guess I don't understand why people care so much about what's going on behind the scenes......what's important is what happens on the field/ice/court/track/course IMHO. It's all about the athletes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Does it really matter in the long run what's going on? I guess I don't understand why people care so much about what's going on behind the scenes......what's important is what happens on the field/ice/court/track/course IMHO. It's all about the athletes. Hockey Mom the Pinacle of reason and good thoughts.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Hockey Mom the Pinacle of reason and good thoughts.. Is it time to start tailgating yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimos Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Does it really matter in the long run what's going on? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Yes Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Is it time to start tailgating yet? I don't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I don't know... I'm still out of town. You set it up and I'll bring the charcoal and potatoe salad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamStrait Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I'm still out of town. You set it up and I'll bring the charcoal and potatoe salad! You got it, Dan (Quayle). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted September 27, 2007 Author Share Posted September 27, 2007 I'll bring the charcoal and potatoe salad! Sounds crunchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Sounds crunchy. I am known here as the toenail removal queen!! Hate to see them go to waste....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI IN FARGO Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 And to the others UND is fine, so administration hired a person that didn't work out, UND rep is still in hand and most of us could care less if the Bison fans respect UND. Really, honestly!!! If Bunning is the problem he has to go... Its a fact of life that sometimes the wrong person is hired and must be let go. I think in the publics eyes this may not be the only problem. It appears that Bunning did what he was asked to do, it pissed off some people and he's suffereing the repercussions of a few influential coaches who complained to Harmeson and he obviously has Kuppys blessings to get rid of Bunning. Call it what you want but by most objective standards its shady and borders on much more then that. I won't be surprised if this creates another lawsuit for UND to have to defend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamStrait Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I think in the publics eyes this may not be the only problem. It appears that Bunning did what he was asked to do, it pissed off some people and he's suffereing the repercussions of a few influential coaches who complained to Harmeson and he obviously has Kuppys blessings to get rid of Bunning. Call it what you want but by most objective standards its shady and borders on much more then that. I won't be surprised if this creates another lawsuit for UND to have to defend. I'd be very surprised if you have the faintest clue about which you are talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Here's the latest Herald article on the subject: [url="http://www.grandforksherald.com/articles/index.cfm?id=51830 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI IN FARGO Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I'd be very surprised if you have the faintest clue about which you are talking. Say what you will but that newspaper link und92 just posted seems to back my point up. Ignore the facts though and believe what you will. My comments were based on what I've read, seen on tv and from those who I've talked with. In general it those opinions do not sound good for the way it was handled. Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Here's the latest Herald article on the subject: [url="http://www.grandforksherald.com/articles/index.cfm?id=51830 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SiouxMD Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I agree with dagies...Dr. Kupchella seems to be acknowledging the success of the entire UND athletic department of which Mr. Buning is part. I wouldn't characterize this letter as an indication of "strong support" for Mr. Buning as suggested by the Herald. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I think that it's important to note that as of June 18 at the latest, there were apparently some concerns about Buning's performance on the part of Kupchella. Knowing what we now know, you don't have to read too far between the lines to interpret some of the quotes in a letter from Kupchella to Buning as being less than 100% supportive: link (scroll down to "Buning review"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I think that it's important to note that as of June 18 at the latest, there were apparently some concerns about Buning's performance on the part of Kupchella. Knowing what we now know, you don't have to read too far between the lines to interpret some of the quotes in a letter from Kupchella to Buning as being less than 100% supportive: link (scroll down to "Buning review"). And how did Kupchella address those concerns? By shoving Harmeson in the middle effective July 1. That was the equivalent of pulling the plug if you ask me, at least that's how it typically plays out in the corporate world. The whole thing screamed "I don't want to deal with this". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Maybe the Herald can find an old picture with Kupchella, Buning and Harmeson all smiling together and print that as news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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