star2city Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 To the extent this has been a problem at UND--and I have no idea whether or not it has been--is now really the time you'd want to take the chance of alienating many of the very same people you're counting on to fund the division I move?If this is a problem at UND, shouldn't it be addressed, regardless of the timing? At other schools, the people who are predisposed to become "alienated" or "disenchanted" are predominately locals who lose influence that often was never proportionate to the benefits that they brought to the table (i.e. whiners). Perhaps this is just my conjecture, the new DI funding sources may very well be outstate alumni who have much less vested concern in the current status quo. What is needed by everyone is the maturity and patience to hear all sides of an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodaker Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 I'm not sure but I think it should start with everyone taking a look in the mirror and asking themselves how many times a day on average do they post on any given message board and how many days they can go without having to make a post on a message board. That would be the first clue. So even though I'm not sure, I think it can be pretty obvious in some cases (case in point, let's wait to see how long it takes for a response). I'm sorry if I struck a nerve and I'm sure I'll get ripped for my comments but the hardest thing is acceptance. Now I better stop posting before I get suckered into this category. Posts per day are part of your profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 If this is a problem at UND, shouldn't it be addressed, regardless of the timing? At other schools, the people who are predisposed to become "alienated" or "disenchanted" are predominately locals who lose influence that often was never proportionate to the benefits that they brought to the table (i.e. whiners). Perhaps this is just my conjecture, the new DI funding sources may very well be outstate alumni who have much less vested concern in the current status quo. What is needed by everyone is the maturity and patience to hear all sides of an issue. I think the key word is "if." Who exactly is contending that there is a problem at UND in this regard? Personally, I don't think there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 I think the key word is "if." Who exactly is contending that there is a problem at UND in this regard? Personally, I don't think there is. Some of the posters in this form who have been complaining about Buning are exactly the type of issues that Foley at Florida and Jurich at Louisville faced. BTW, I'm not comparing UND to Florida or Louisvile or Buning to those two AD's. People have a right to complain, but rarely is it done constructively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Some of the posters in this form who have been complaining about Buning are exactly the type of issues that Foley at Florida and Jurich at Louisville faced. BTW, I'm not comparing UND to Florida or Louisvile or Buning to those two AD's. People have a right to complain, but rarely is it done constructively. My two cents is this--if Joe Alumni tries to put pressure on an a.d. to retain a once-successful coach whose time has clearly passed, that's a good example of somebody attempting to exert influence in a foolish manner. I believe that has happened at UND in the past, and obviously the a.d. turned out to be correct in his eventual decision. With that said, obviously that's not to say that a.d.'s don't sometimes make mistakes in the way they deal with current and potential donors. I just don't necessarily buy the argument that such complaints can be explained away by labeling the complainants as part of a "good ole boys" club. As an example, I (and many others) didn't really appreciate the comments by Mr. Buning during the men's basketball hiring process when he responded to questions about the required qualifications which all-but-eliminated all local candidates: "People debate whether those are the proper qualifications, but they're not looking at the best interests of the university, the players and the future players we want here," Buning said. Disagreement is fine, but it seems rather foolish for an a.d. to make condescending remarks like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 It's a slow day. Here's something to read other than UND Sports information on AreaVoices. I hope you all enjoy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 My brain hurts. More than normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 It's a slow day. Here's something to read other than UND Sports information on AreaVoices. I hope you all enjoy it. Another one that I enjoy reading is Grand Forks Life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 It's a slow day. Here's something to read other than UND Sports information on AreaVoices. I hope you all enjoy it. Seriously its grand forks, its always a slow day up here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforeverbaby Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Seriously its grand forks, its always a slow day up here... don't complain. The biggest thing that has happened in Lansford lately is the annual Street Dance. which wasn't that exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxmama Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 don't complain. The biggest thing that has happened in Lansford lately is the annual Street Dance. which wasn't that exciting. Lansford...is that where Myles and David O'Keefe are from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Nope, Roseanne and Dan Connor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforeverbaby Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Lansford...is that where Myles and David O'Keefe are from? yep, I know them and went to school with David's kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 As an example, I (and many others) didn't really appreciate the comments by Mr. Buning during the men's basketball hiring process when he responded to questions about the required qualifications which all-but-eliminated all local candidates: Disagreement is fine, but it seems rather foolish for an a.d. to make condescending remarks like that. Even after Craig Smith took Mayville State to the NAIA Division II finals, why didn't he get a head coaching offer from any DII school, even a low level one like Bemidji? With his CSU assistant spot and if he get's his Master's there, he will now have a shot at a head coach position at the DII level, or maybe even low DI like UND. Face it, Craig Smith was at least two slots below what UND needed to have credibility with conferences and other coaches for scheduling, and for recruiting (his previous position would have been used against him). The unwrittens rules are, a head coach at NAIA Div 2 < NAIA Div 1 < NCAA DII < NCAA DI transition, with each being a jump up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 It's a slow day. Here's something to read other than UND Sports information on AreaVoices. I hope you all enjoy it. Seems some may have missed the point, from AreaVoices: I was reminded of this rumor after hearing a few nasty accusations about the source not too long ago, accusations that, if they convince the right people, could damage a career. I can't really be more specific than that, but I'll give you an example of the power of whispers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxmama Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 yep, I know them and went to school with David's kids I know them from Rodeo, but haven't seen the O'Keefe's in a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted June 30, 2007 Share Posted June 30, 2007 don't complain. The biggest thing that has happened in Lansford lately is the annual Street Dance. which wasn't that exciting. Yeah I suppose you do have a point. last night it was the WoO and Donny Schatz and Steve Kinser coming to town... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the"source" Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 Two more people from the athletic dept. with local ties to UND quit this week. Make a list of UND Lost Rob, Chris, Sara and Laura Almost lost Dale and Hak has less then a year on his contract. How does this end? We could start our own show. The Lost! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforeverbaby Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 Yeah I suppose you do have a point. last night it was the WoO and Donny Schatz and Steve Kinser coming to town... LOL. Siouxmama, yep I haven't seen them in a couple of weeks, but I am always at work. "the source"- How would we start a show called Lost when we didn't lose one of the people that you mentioned and another we will find out in a year? I realize that you all have your sources, but I will believe it when it comes from the coaches and/or the ad. until then a rumor is just a rumor. if you can't back it up then don't expect us to believe, too many people on here from small towns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the"source" Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 LOL. Siouxmama, yep I haven't seen them in a couple of weeks, but I am always at work. "the source"- How would we start a show called Lost when we didn't lose one of the people that you mentioned and another we will find out in a year? I realize that you all have your sources, but I will believe it when it comes from the coaches and/or the ad. until then a rumor is just a rumor. if you can't back it up then don't expect us to believe, too many people on here from small towns. Ignorance is Bliss, I know you will have a nice relaxing summer. For those of us who have a clue of what is going on around Grand Forks and UND. This could be far from relaxing! ps What do you have when there are 26 Lansford townfolk in a room? A full set of teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejm Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 ps What do you have when there is 26 Lansford townfolk in a room? A full set of teath. You're not doing your credibility any service here. I'd suggest you invest in a grammar and spell checker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the"source" Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 You're not doing your credibility any service here. I'd suggest you invest in a grammar and spell checker. Thanks Teach But I don't need no help from you city folk? Also I do not need any credibility on this board I will leave that to the people who feel impowered to critique othere peoples posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Even after Craig Smith took Mayville State to the NAIA Division II finals, why didn't he get a head coaching offer from any DII school, even a low level one like Bemidji? With his CSU assistant spot and if he get's his Master's there, he will now have a shot at a head coach position at the DII level, or maybe even low DI like UND. Face it, Craig Smith was at least two slots below what UND needed to have credibility with conferences and other coaches for scheduling, and for recruiting (his previous position would have been used against him). The unwrittens rules are, a head coach at NAIA Div 2 < NAIA Div 1 < NCAA DII < NCAA DI transition, with each being a jump up. I have no problem, even in retrospect, with the fact that Smith didn't get the UND job. Sure, I think he warranted an interview, but such is life. What I did have a problem with was the a.d.'s above-referenced comments, which came after a process that gave us a less-than-stellar list of finalists (Jones did end up being a good hire IMO, though). I believe you yourself even posted something to the effect that "this was a dII list." I just don't care for Buning's propensity for speaking first, thinking about the consequences later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I have no problem, even in retrospect, with the fact that Smith didn't get the UND job. Sure, I think he warranted an interview, but such is life. What I did have a problem with was the a.d.'s above-referenced comments, which came after a process that gave us a less-than-stellar list of finalists (Jones did end up being a good hire IMO, though). I believe you yourself even posted something to the effect that "this was a dII list." I just don't care for Buning's propensity for speaking first, thinking about the consequences later.I was disappointed in the finalists, but in retrospect, the job was probably Jones' all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Two more people from the athletic dept. with local ties to UND quit this week. Make a list of UND Lost Rob, Chris, Sara and Laura Almost lost Dale and Hak has less then a year on his contract. How does this end? We could start our own show. The Lost! Just so I'm clear on your opinion, if Dale would have left in 2002 for Sacramento State would that have been Buning's fault too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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