UND Fan Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 As reported this morning, the deadline for committing to DI is June 1 rather than September 1. This change was made in October of 2005 - how in the hell didn't we know that? Supposedly the bylaws still indicate June 1 but someone in the Department (Ralston) should have verified this! I would guess this means there is no chance that we will make the move this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 As reported this morning, the deadline for committing to DI is June 1 rather than September 1. This change was made in October of 2005 - how in the hell didn't we know that? Supposedly the bylaws still indicate June 1 but someone in the Department (Ralston) should have verified this! I would guess this means there is no chance that we will make the move this year! I went to the NCAA website and was able to find where if you are changing from I-AA to I-A the deadline is June 1st (sse link below), but didn't see for Division II to I-AA was June 1st. I would look further, but I have to run to a meeting. http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/!ut/p/k...il/24_Att_A.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDog Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Every Tom, Dick, and Harry on either this website or bisonville has known this for months. If the official word at UND is to say they didn't know when the deadline is, I shudder. And for those of you that blindly put your faith into the basketball search committee, you need only to reference this matter. Hey Harmeson, how about updating your NCAA Manual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I think this indicates that the UND administration isn't really serious about DI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBison Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 There it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sultan Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I don't think there is any doubt that we are not serious about DI. It's is almost comical that we wouldn't know the deadline had been changed. Either they must think were fools to believe they didn't know or they are fools for not knowing. What kind of leadership do we have? If you are at all serious about a possible move or just even considering it slightly there is NO excuse for NOT KNOWING the date had been changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDog Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Iowa Bison, you seem fairly resourceful (for a Bison fan ) maybe you could dig up a few of those June 1 deadline posts that appeared here about two months ago and post them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBison Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Iowa Bison, you seem fairly resourceful (for a Bison fan ) maybe you could dig up a few of those June 1 deadline posts that appeared here about two months ago and post them. I don't know if I can. I thought Sept. 1 was the date also. Of course, I'm just a casual college sports fan. If I was a UND booster, I'd be asking Kupchella, Buning, and Harmeson just what the hell they think they are doing. (I beat you dollars to donuts a couple of folks have gotten their asses chewed out for this one.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I don't know if I can. I thought Sept. 1 was the date also. Of course, I'm just a casual college sports fan. If I was a UND booster, I'd be asking Kupchella, Buning, and Harmeson just what the hell they think they are doing. (I beat you dollars to donuts a couple of folks have gotten their asses chewed out for this one.) I think that most of us remember the change from Dec 1 to Sept 1. At least that is what I remember. The June 1st date is new to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI IN FARGO Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I think that most of us remember the change from Dec 1 to Sept 1. At least that is what I remember. The June 1st date is new to me. As a fan its not your obligation to know what the date is. On the other hand for the administration of a school who is purportedly looking at the change it is a given that they need to be up to speed on every aspect of a potential move. For them to come out with this is about as ridiculous as me telling a police officer "gee I didnt know I needed a license to drive". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 As a fan its not your obligation to know what the date is. On the other hand for the administration of a school who is purportedly looking at the change it is a given that they need to be up to speed on every aspect of a potential move. For them to come out with this is about as ridiculous as me telling a police officer "gee I didnt know I needed a license to drive". Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WYOBISONMAN Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Did anyone from the UND Admin actually state they did not know the date?.......I am not sure that I have read that......I would think that they would have known that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBison Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 The Story From the article: ' "That's much quicker than we thought going into it," Buning said of UND's classification study. "I think most of us had our eyes on the end of the summer." ' 'Harmeson said his NCAA bylaws show that the deadline to announce a move from Division II to Division I is Sept.1, which would have given UND officials the summer to debate the issue. But Kearns said the date was revised from Sept. 1 to June 1 in October 2005.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjw007 Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Kearns said the date was revised from Sept. 1 to June 1 in October 2005.' Another fine example of hostile and abrusive action of the NCAA. You would think rule changes would be prominately announced by the NCAA. On the hand, if UND is serious about moving to D1, it only moves the announcement date up for them as they can do ala NDSU and just make the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBison Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Another fine example of hostile and abrusive action of the NCAA. You would think rule changes would be prominately announced by the NCAA. On the hand, if UND is serious about moving to D1, it only moves the announcement date up for them as they can do ala NDSU and just make the move. It's not like they were keeping it a secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 It's not like they were keeping it a secret. No kidding. I'm with CDog on this one. Haven't we all (on the board) been talking about June 1 since this Spring? I thought we had always been discussing 2007-08 as an exploratory year because of the 18 month NCC withdrawal window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxMD Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Iowa Bison, you seem fairly resourceful (for a Bison fan ) maybe you could dig up a few of those June 1 deadline posts that appeared here about two months ago and post them. RD17 got it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDog Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 RD17 got it right. I knew it. Thank you, SiouxMD. RD17 knew it. Apparently he got the revised edition of the NCAA Manual while Harmeson, Kupchella, and Buning got the old one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I knew it. Thank you, SiouxMD. RD17 knew it. Apparently he got the revised edition of the NCAA Manual while Harmeson, Kupchella, and Buning got the old one. Reading threads more fully, though a lot of people have been talking about June 1 as a decision date, I think it's because we were concerned about the window to withdraw from the NCC. I don't see that anyone knew June 1 was a new NCAA rule; in fact, just a month ago Tony quoted the NCAA manual as saying September 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaBison Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 I knew it. Thank you, SiouxMD. RD17 knew it. Apparently he got the revised edition of the NCAA Manual while Harmeson, Kupchella, and Buning got the old one. It's not a revised anything. The NCAA has the perogative to make changes to its bylaws which are effective immediately, which it did in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aff Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 If I was a Sioux Fan I would be pissed about this excuse. If this was one of us at our place of employment, and we missed a deadline like this, for something this important, it would likely be grounds for a firing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Yeah, I sure thought the deadline was 9/1 for notifying the NCAA... until today. Looks like it got voted on in October and adopted on Dec. 26th, 2005 - so that's why the 2005-06 manual didn't have it. Previously I was more interested in correcting the deadline for notifying the NCC - I thought it had been moved up from Sept 1 to March 1, but according to the Herald today, that deadline was actually moved up to Dec. 31! To leave the NCC and play a DI season in 2008-2009, UND would want to notify the NCC by the end of this year - 6 months before it notifies that NCAA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonCardinal Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Considering that Kupchella is at the platinum level of the NCAA Frequent Mailer Club, you would have thought the NCAA would have sent him an updated manual automatically. Maybe he should have sent them a "Modest Request" for a manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Looks like it got voted on in October and adopted on Dec. 26th, 2005 - so that's why the 2005-06 manual didn't have it. The NCAA changed the rules in the middle again? Nope. Too easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 The task force won't give President Charles Kupchella its final report until the end of the month, at the earliest. That would make it hard for Kupchella to make any recommendation prior to June 1. "A decision of that magnitude, I'm sure, is not going to be made in 72 hours," said Phil Harmeson, UND faculty athletic representative and senior associate to Kupchella. Wait a second. Wasn't it everyone's understanding that this thing was to be delivered to Kupchella by the end of the semester? That would have provided a two+ week window to make the assessment. Why did the timeline slip? What in sam hell is going on up there?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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