The Sicatoka Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago Michigan not Minnesota. That’s a poke in the eye. Quote
nascar99 Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 10 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Michigan not Minnesota. That’s a poke in the eye. Hopefully Michigan fans go en masse, otherwise, a puzzling look Quote
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 13 hours ago, cberkas said: A little humor into the ASU situation, Powers took Smaby saying "you go to Arizona State because you are soft" serious and brought in a former Green Beret to make them tougher. I can just see opposing student sections this season having signs telling Arizona State players to stay hydrated or something similar. I hope he recovers but with him being in a coma still, my hopes are not high. Can confirm that Powers passed a message along to Jax that Smaby was right, his players are soft. Quote
upnorthkid Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: Michigan not Minnesota. That’s a poke in the eye. as a gopher fan who has no desire to see a league game played on likely trash ice, i'm very ok with this. Outdoor games are unique (at least previously) and all, but think it's an opportunity to have it between non-con foes rather than what the B10 is doing (UND-MN or UND-WI would be fun as would MN-DU or any of the western teams vs the BU/BC options) 1 Quote
thUNDer Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago ASU's Mayich Unlikely to Recover, Family Attorney Says Lawyer Demands Independent Investigation, Coaching Staff to be Placed on Leave by Adam Wodon/Managing Editor (@chn-adam-wodon) Quote
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago When the attorney says will not recover, does he mean will not be able to return to the team, or will not emerge from the coma? Getting lost in the concern about ASU jobs and the season being cancelled is what the future holds for the former player. 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Saying will not recover about someone in a coma is rather ominous. 1 Quote
Goon Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago As someone that was in the military and went through boot camp during the summer at Fort McCellan Alabama, then did two preseason camps in college football. When it got to a certain temp in the Military we changed how we trained and drank a lot of water. When it got to a certain temp, we took buses or cattle cars to the ranges. Reading this article, a couple of flags came up. Quote The workout was conducted at 8:30 a.m. The temperature at the time was approximately 87 degrees. The workout, Carey said, included intensive workouts with no breaks, while Ziesel instructed the players "like a drill instructor." He said Mayich was already showing signs of distress before collapsing. "These are kids that weren't even in the valley a week, a lot of them, and you start on a heat advisory day with kids who aren't heat acclimatized and you go out there and grind them to a pulp with a Green Beret where there's no rest breaks and very, very little water if any," Carey said. "Some of the kids did not get water. There was only one water break, and it was only for the people in the very front who could do it in time to get to the second task. If you were lagging, you were stuck. That's just completely, grossly inappropriate." If this kid was struggling, he should have been taken out of the training and treated for a heat injury. I don't know, we only know what is reported and the truth will come out eventually. WTF, one water break. In football we drank water after every drill. 1 Quote
cberkas Posted 1 hour ago Author Posted 1 hour ago 20 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said: When the attorney says will not recover, does he mean will not be able to return to the team, or will not emerge from the coma? Getting lost in the concern about ASU jobs and the season being cancelled is what the future holds for the former player. Sounds like he’s on life support and won’t get out of the coma. The school is being very quiet about it, which begs the questions. How did the Athletic hear about it? Why did it take two days for someone to report it? What if the Athletic never reported it? At about the same time last year a hiker on Camelback Mountain (in the city) had to be put in a “ice bag” to save their life. Quote
cberkas Posted 1 hour ago Author Posted 1 hour ago 27 minutes ago, Goon said: As someone that was in the military and went through boot camp during the summer at Fort McCellan Alabama, then did two preseason camps in college football. When it got to a certain temp in the Military we changed how we trained and drank a lot of water. When it got to a certain temp, we took buses or cattle cars to the ranges. Reading this article, a couple of flags came up. If this kid was struggling, he should have been taken out of the training and treated for a heat injury. I don't know, we only know what is reported and the truth will come out eventually. WTF, one water break. In football we drank water after every drill. The military takes safety very serious. They had to ask us if we drank our 6 canteens of water a day in boot camp at Great Lakes and if you didn’t they’d ask why you didn’t. Wherever you went you always had a canteen with you. On the two deployments I did, the Navy gave us Camelbacks when we were in the Gulf (where it’s 120 in the shade). I’d be in the hanger bays and you’d see the squadron guys down to t-shirts and pants working on jets. Since it was hot in the Gulf or Western Pacific the command allowed it. 1 Quote
thUNDer Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago This is a huge developing story for the Athletic & CHN bound to pay big dividends in the next couple months over other outlets’ reports. Too bad for the negative exposure but something good comes from bad IMHO. Quote
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 15 minutes ago, cberkas said: Sounds like he’s on life support and won’t get out of the coma. The school is being very quiet about it, which begs the questions. How did the Athletic hear about it? Why did it take two days for someone to report it? What if the Athletic never reported it? At about the same time last year a hiker on Camelback Mountain (in the city) had to be put in a “ice bag” to save their life. That's really sad. Personal aversion to bombastic attorneys discussing specifics in the court of public opinion aside, seems suspicious that ASU isn't out ahead of anything here. Quote
SIOUXpucks Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 16 hours ago, cberkas said: A little humor into the ASU situation, Powers took Smaby saying "you go to Arizona State because you are soft" serious and brought in a former Green Beret to make them tougher. I can just see opposing student sections this season having signs telling Arizona State players to stay hydrated or something similar. I hope he recovers but with him being in a coma still, my hopes are not high. I don't think the topic calls for any humor, now or during the season. Even if he comes out of his coma, with what him and his family has been through, I'd really hope opposing fans wouldn't resort to such tactics. That kid's teammates had to watch that all unfold and now see him in the hospital in a coma, they don't need reminders in the future. If I hear or see something like that at a UND game I'll be appalled and would be ok with people being removed for it. Did people taunt Travis Roy or BU for the awful outcome in '95? 1 Quote
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, thUNDer said: This is a huge developing story for the Athletic & CHN bound to pay big dividends in the next couple months over other outlets’ reports. Too bad for the negative exposure but something good comes from bad IMHO. I know it's a minor detail, but I stopped listening to McMahon's reporting when he said the player transferred from Vermont. Can't be a good source if you can't be bothered to read the jersey in the picture. 1 Quote
thUNDer Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said: I know it's a minor detail, but I stopped listening to McMahon's reporting when he said the player transferred from Vermont. Can't be a good source if you can't be bothered to read the jersey in the picture. Wising as well, just saying they know where their bread is buttered Quote
Goon Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, cberkas said: The military takes safety very serious. They had to ask us if we drank our 6 canteens of water a day in boot camp at Great Lakes and if you didn’t they’d ask why you didn’t. Wherever you went you always had a canteen with you. On the two departments I did, the Navy gave us Camelbacks when we were in the Gulf (where it’s 120 in the shade). I’d be in the hanger bays and you’d see the squadron guys down to t-shirts and pants working on jets. Since it was hot in the Gulf or Western Pacific the command allowed it. I remember when we got to Saudi Arabia during Desert Strom, they had us get acclimated to the weather. I've read where some of these players haven't been there that long or given much of a chance to get acclimated to the area. Quote
cberkas Posted 1 hour ago Author Posted 1 hour ago Just now, Goon said: I remember when we got to Saudi Arabia during Desert Strom, they had us get acclimated to the weather. I've read where some of these players haven't been there that long or given much of a chance to get acclimated to the area. There were heat advisories here for two week before it happened. Quote
thUNDer Posted 56 minutes ago Posted 56 minutes ago Prayers go all around to everyone affected by such a horrible tragedy that seemingly didn’t need to happen. Quote
Goon Posted 42 minutes ago Posted 42 minutes ago 18 minutes ago, cberkas said: There were heat advisories here for two week before it happened. It's probably too fricken to hot to train outside when it's 90 degrees. Quote
siouxfaninseattle Posted 31 minutes ago Posted 31 minutes ago A couple of thoughts - I would put a lot more stock in the comment about he will never recover if it was coming from a doctor. And ASU really can't say much about the medical condition of a student. 1 Quote
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