NCAA seeding

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

37 minutes ago, .357 said:

Which scenario is David Carle advocating for?

 

Assumedly the 3 week version since atmosphere is his argument.

[brianvf]

6 minutes ago, 108498 said:

Who should we cheer for out of the Loveland Regional? Its hard seeing anyone upsetting Denver.

I’m rooting for MSUM out of that region. Doubt it will happen but I sure don’t want DU or WMU potentially playing for another title. DU for obvious reasons. WMU…a large % of their fan base acts like they have won a ton of titles after their one win last year. So it wouldn’t upset me if they bowed out as well. 

[TwamleyShuffle]

9 minutes ago, 108498 said:

Who should we cheer for out of the Loveland Regional? Its hard seeing anyone upsetting Denver.

Mankato. I have them defeating WMU. Your a correct to say that DU is a wagon rn and having home ice and the advantage of being used to the elevation makes them big favorites to win their regional. But yet again, they’d have to beat the Albany winner to potentially face us in title game if we get that far. So even if a team in Loveland doesn’t beat them, they aren’t the last “boss they’d have to beat to get to us

[cberkas]

I have Michigan State getting upset by UConn and Duluth getting out of Albany 

[tnt]

18 minutes ago, 108498 said:

Who should we cheer for out of the Loveland Regional? Its hard seeing anyone upsetting Denver.

Cornell and Denver have had low scoring games in the NCAA tournament about 3 & 4 years ago.  Big teams like Cornell are tough to play against during tourney time, and if they can stay out of the box, they will probably be in another low scoring game with them, where the bounces could make the difference.  Cornell will have to keep it low scoring to have a chance as I don’t see Hicks giving up a lot.

[.357]

1 hour ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

You can't have a 4 team situation at home sites for the NCAA tournament for the same reason you can't for conference tournaments. Anytime the host gets beat in the first round the attendance is dismal for the second round. Going to home sites means three consecutive weeks of the tournament.

The alternative is to go back to allowing bidding with campus arenas and keep the 4 regionals. But then it's #1 seed eastern school coming to the Ralph to play #3 seed UND, which is what they are really against but won't admit.

Even in the second scenario with campuses bidding, attendance will still be an issue if the campus team gets beat in the first round; provided they even make the tournament. (similar attendance problem to the other scenario where the host school gets eliminated in the first round).

But both of these scenarios would be an improvement attendance-wise compared to neutral sites. Instead of having an arena mostly empty for both days at a neutral site like it is now, at least one of those days would see good attendance. 

[cberkas]

NCHC, CCHA, and B1G (Penn State will be the dumb one) ADs/coaches just need to take my advice. 

[Dustin]

Just spit balling here, but what about a first round of campus sites (1 hosts 16, 2 hosts 15, etc) without ESPN's involvement, and then an Elite 8 tournament to replace the Frozen Four?  This would only involve one travel (unless you were going to follow your team to the opponent's home site in Round 1), and 7 games in one venue spread over 4 days.  You could even re-seed after Round 1.  It has the some of the same benefits of my "super regional" idea in that you get a lot of hockey in one place in a short time.  The  biggest downside for me personally is that I love watching the Masters, which is the same weekend.  As it is right now, they do not overlap much in terms of action/coverage (afternoon golf vs evening hockey), but in this case they would overlap a lot.  A Monday night championship might get better viewership than a Saturday night, even though Saturday night "feels" like the right night to end the season.  Here's how this year's tournament could be scheduled under this scenario.

[ND_Texan]

13 hours ago, WiSioux said:

Who the heck are these "experts"? Half of them don't even look like they know what hockey is....

You don't think the Indian lady knows hockey? 

[hockeytherapy13]

13 hours ago, Dustin said:

I listened to part of the CHN podcast this week, first time having ever done so.  

CHN On the Air, Including the CHN Insiders Podcast, and Hockey on Campus Radio Show on Sirius XM : College Hockey News

Of course, they were talking about many of the same things we've been talking about regarding the regional format, seeding via the NPI, etc, etc.  I learned quite a bit and thought about things I hadn't thought about before.

When the topic came to home regionals, they were talking that ESPN wouldn't go for that because they'd have to send 8 crews.  So, each higher seed would host a game?  I was always assuming 4-team regionals, like they are now.  Have I been misunderstanding what people have been calling "home regionals"?

And another aside, if ESPN wants to send fewer crews out, that sounds like a perfect set-up for my "Super Regional" idea.  I think that would also generate excitement, have good optics, and be good for the game.

With how hot Merrimack is right now (and for the last 3 months), combined with having 5 players with 13+ goals, having a higher SOS than us, and good special teams, I'm surprised more of them didn't take Merrimack in the 1st round. I still think that if we play smart and structured hockey we will win a tight one. If it's loosey goosey then we are cooked. 

[fargosioux]

https://rmshockey.substack.com/p/an-analytics-driven-preview-of-the

Some pretty good analysis of the numbers here.

[Kevin G]

50 minutes ago, ND_Texan said:

You don't think the Indian lady knows hockey? 

Depends on which tribe she’s from. 

[fightingsioux4life]

12 hours ago, 108498 said:

Who should we cheer for out of the Loveland Regional? Its hard seeing anyone upsetting Denver.

What makes them so bulletproof? So the single elimination nature of the tournament (which people absolutely obsess with on here, btw) doesn't apply to them? They are no more invincible than Michigan is. Everyone has to win four games to win a title. And none of them will be easy. That applies to everyone, not just UND.

[ND_Texan]

10 minutes ago, Kevin G said:

Depends on which tribe she’s from. 

Dot.

[fightingsioux4life]

37 minutes ago, hockeytherapy13 said:

With how hot Merrimack is right now (and for the last 3 months), combined with having 5 players with 13+ goals, having a higher SOS than us, and good special teams, I'm surprised more of them didn't take Merrimack in the 1st round. I still think that if we play smart and structured hockey we will win a tight one. If it's loosey goosey then we are cooked. 

Cripes, you make it sound like we are the underdogs!

And I think playing loosey goosey will "cook" any team this time of year, including the two "invincible" teams this year: Denver and Michigan.

We have to drop this whole "poor little old us" routine and get back the swagger we used to have. My only real concern is if the flu bug has run it's course through the team.

[hockeytherapy13]

47 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Cripes, you make it sound like we are the underdogs!

And I think playing loosey goosey will "cook" any team this time of year, including the two "invincible" teams this year: Denver and Michigan.

We have to drop this whole "poor little old us" routine and get back the swagger we used to have. My only real concern is if the flu bug has run it's course through the team.

Oh FFS I said I still think we win and I still do (3-1 with the 3rd goal being an EN) But so many fans think this game and regional are a slam dunk and discounting a hot team team with a killer goalie.  
 

My point was not that we’ll lose, but that I was surprised more of their writers didn’t choose Merrimack (since at least 6 of those writers are east-based).

simma Donna, we are all on the same team here  

[fightingsioux4life]

10 minutes ago, hockeytherapy13 said:

Oh FFS I said I still think we win and I still do (3-1 with the 3rd goal being an EN) But so many fans think this game and regional are a slam dunk and discounting a hot team team with a killer goalie.  
 

My quote was that I was surprised more of their writers didn’t choose Merrimack since at least 6 of those writers are east-based. Simma Donna 

I don't care if they have Ken Dryden reincarnated in net, this is a game we should win. It is not wrong to have reasonable expectations.

And I haven't seen anyone here thinking this game will be a "slam dunk". Maybe they are on that All Things Fighting Sioux Facebook page, but not on here.

And in 2016, our first round opponent was Northeastern, who was on a long winning streak. And we all know how that season ended.

As for people not picking Merrimack, I think those people are just assuming that the higher seed will win in the first round. Lazy picking, but a lot of people do that.

I will not apologize for having expectations and for expressing optimism this time of year.

[hockeytherapy13]

7 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I don't care if they have Ken Dryden reincarnated in net, this is a game we should win. It is not wrong to have reasonable expectations.

And I haven't seen anyone here thinking this game will be a "slam dunk". Maybe they are on that All Things Fighting Sioux Facebook page they are, but not on here.

And in 2016, our first round opponent was Northeastern, who was on a long winning streak. And we all know how that season ended.

I will not apologize for having expectations and for expressing optimism this time of year.

My level of optimism for us has not been this high since 2021. Even when we lose we lose with a fight and this team has an X factor that I can’t even explain. Everyone is 100% all in even if they aren’t in the lineup; it’s crazy.  I just always get scared since   hockey can be a cruel mistress in these one-and-done scenarios (as we’ve all learned painfully before). 
 

PS I don’t go anywhere beat the Fighting Sioux Facebook haha that whole thing is a joke. 

[fightingsioux4life]

2 minutes ago, hockeytherapy13 said:

My level of optimism for us has not been this high since 2021. Even when we lose we lose with a fight and this team has an X factor that I can’t even explain. Everyone is 100% all in even if they aren’t in the lineup; it’s crazy.  I just always get scared since   hockey can be a cruel mistress in these one-and-done scenarios (as we’ve all learned painfully before). 

Which makes me wonder this: Why are people talking about Denver like they are the Soviet Red Army team from the 1970s? Aside from the red uniforms, I don't think they are close to being that good. The single elimination format applies just as much to them as it does to us.

[cowboys5xsbs]

Just now, fightingsioux4life said:

Which makes me wonder this: Why are people talking about Denver like they are the Soviet Red Army team from the 1970s? Aside from the red uniforms, I don't think they are close to being that good. The single elimination format applies just as much to them as it does to us.

Because Denver always has voodoo magic in the tournament 

[cowboys5xsbs]

1 hour ago, hockeytherapy13 said:

With how hot Merrimack is right now (and for the last 3 months), combined with having 5 players with 13+ goals, having a higher SOS than us, and good special teams, I'm surprised more of them didn't take Merrimack in the 1st round. I still think that if we play smart and structured hockey we will win a tight one. If it's loosey goosey then we are cooked. 

Yea sure excpet the NCHC is heads and shoulders above everyone else and Hockey East sucks 

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, cowboys5xsbs said:

Because Denver always has voodoo magic in the tournament 

Voodoo hoodoo.

It didn't help them last year, did it?

I think people are writing off Western Michigan way too easily. Even without Bump, they are still very good.

[cowboys5xsbs]

Just now, fightingsioux4life said:

Voodoo hoodoo.

It didn't help them last year, did it?

I think people are writing off Western Michigan way too easily. Even without Bump, they are still very good.

If they game wasn't a home game I would agree.  Gonna be difficult to win in Colorado but possible.  

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, cowboys5xsbs said:

If they game wasn't a home game I would agree.  Gonna be difficult to win in Colorado but possible.  

We beat Wisconsin in the Kohl Center in 2008 in the regional final, so home ice doesn't guarantee anything.

[hockeytherapy13]

2 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Voodoo hoodoo.

It didn't help them last year, did it?

I think people are writing off Western Michigan way too easily. Even without Bump, they are still very good.

Heck I think writing off Kato isn’t quite right. They can lock it down nice and tight.