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Would have liked to see SS get picked up by the Gophers so could follow his career easier, but there would possibly be 6 guys ahead of him.  That said UM just picked up a kid from Elon about the same size with one more year left, but stats not as good as SS in whatever the hell league Elon plays in and another from Iowa State so he probably made the right move for him.  Not sure what Wake has in the stable, but good luck to him. 

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49 minutes ago, UND69er said:

Would have liked to see SS get picked up by the Gophers so could follow his career easier, but there would possibly be 6 guys ahead of him.  That said UM just picked up a kid from Elon about the same size with one more year left, but stats not as good as SS in whatever the hell league Elon plays in and another from Iowa State so he probably made the right move for him.  Not sure what Wake has in the stable, but good luck to him. 

Correction. 3yrs left.

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13 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Should’ve stayed at UND. We’ll see how it pans out in the Big 10 for ‘em …

Why? You keep repeating that players have a better chance at going pro by staying at UND but that's just not true. This school has zero recent history of putting multiple players in the NFL or CFL.

Go to Iowa, make some money, get a degree, and if you have the chance to keep playing then great. If not, you've got more money and a degree from a more well-known school.

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3 hours ago, southpaw said:

Why? You keep repeating that players have a better chance at going pro by staying at UND but that's just not true. This school has zero recent history of putting multiple players in the NFL or CFL.

Go to Iowa, make some money, get a degree, and if you have the chance to keep playing then great. If not, you've got more money and a degree from a more well-known school.

Why? Less risk. 

It’s a new era. Make some money? That’s what most of the decisions are being based on now, and it will backfire for most.

UND football and college football is entering a new era. Focusing on UND’s past pro player development is not entirely relevant. Check back in after a few years. 

Also, even with all that said, your statement “This school has zero recent history of putting multiple players in the NFL or CFL” is false. UND presently has multiple players in the CFL. And despite prior inferior facilities and prep still got some guys in the NFL. Future will be even brighter…

But sure, you do you, and keep cheerleading for the Big 10 while ignoring the thousands of students-athletes that will get taken advantage of. 

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3 hours ago, southpaw said:

Why? You keep repeating that players have a better chance at going pro by staying at UND but that's just not true. This school has zero recent history of putting multiple players in the NFL or CFL.

Go to Iowa, make some money, get a degree, and if you have the chance to keep playing then great. If not, you've got more money and a degree from a more well-known school.

ESPN lists Iowa with 29 players on NFL rosters this year.  UND has 1 - Waletzko 

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3 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

ESPN lists Iowa with 29 players on NFL rosters this year.  UND has 1 - Waletzko 

Past is not entirely relevant, otherwise change would never happen. New focus and infrastructure fuels the new potential. It’ll happen. There will always be pessimists. 

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26 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Past is not entirely relevant, otherwise change would never happen. New focus and infrastructure fuels the new potential. It’ll happen. There will always be pessimists. 

Have to agree with Siouxperman here.  Optimism is a good thing but I would say a transfer players chances for NFL are as good, or better at a bigger school.  There is some relevance in past performance as compared to optimism for the future.  Guess we'll see.

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28 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Past is not entirely relevant, otherwise change would never happen. New focus and infrastructure fuels the new potential. It’ll happen. There will always be pessimists. 

The past is relevant.  NDSU would be the standard bearer for NFL players and they have 11. 

I am surely not a pessimist but just because you say something over and over doesn't make it true.  You also reprimanded me early in the fall because I dared to say that we were probably a couple of recruiting classes away from winning the MVFC.  New regime and all that.  News flash - we were very competitive but it didn't happen last fall 

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19 minutes ago, NDRA said:

Have to agree with Siouxperman here.  Optimism is a good thing but I would say a transfer players chances for NFL are as good, or better at a bigger school.  There is some relevance in past performance as compared to optimism for the future.  Guess we'll see.

I don’t see the benefit of jumping in on the Big 10 hype train but I guess it’s the easy thing to do. 
 

remember, superficially it seems like going to the Big 10 or any other P4 is the right decision, but if you aren’t the starter there, then it likely will backfire. This isn’t purely theoretical; it happened on numerous occasion in 2025 (i.e., transfer doesn’t get playing time and the decision to transfer to higher level/greater payday actually hurts their potential).

Past performances don’t tell the full story for UND football, obviously. The recent developments and future projections for UND are beyond encouraging. There will always be attrition, but I’m not going to laud it just because it was the Big 10 that prompted it…

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18 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

The past is relevant.  NDSU would be the standard bearer for NFL players and they have 11. 

I am surely not a pessimist but just because you say something over and over doesn't make it true.  You also reprimanded me early in the fall because I dared to say that we were probably a couple of recruiting classes away from winning the MVFC.  New regime and all that.  News flash - we were very competitive but it didn't happen last fall 

not ENTIRELY relevant 

otherwise, once again, we just bow down to the status quo

get off the ag college bandwagon 

we were very competitive last fall and very close to winning the MVFC, but it didn’t happen last fall as you said … still, most didn’t even think UND would be that competitive.  I’m saying it over and over again because IT IS TRUE, and a stance of infinite reality based on historical precedent is a farce in this instance 

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A starter at a P4 school would have better chances at the pros than at UND. To me, the more relevant question is, does a 2nd or 3rd String player at a P4 school have any better chance than a full time starter at UND.  Rucker probably realized that, if you dominate at FCS they're gonna find you.

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1 minute ago, SkoHawks said:

A starter at a P4 school would have better chances at the pros than at UND. To me, the more relevant question is, does a 2nd or 3rd String player at a P4 school have any better chance than a full time starter at UND.  Rucker probably realized that, if you dominate at FCS they're gonna find you.

Correct.

so don’t think these kids transferring to Big 10 schools are going to be instant starters

that is the fallacy that most lauding P4 destinations fail to recognize (including many on here)

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1 minute ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Long-term development over shot-term glory 

It doesn’t matter how much development you get, not everyone is an NFL player. In fact 99% of college football players are not 

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3 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

It doesn’t matter how much development you get, not everyone is an NFL player. In fact 99% of college football players are not 

Goes beyond the sport … learn commitment early, will benefit you in the long run. Getting off topic here a bit but jumping ship and always hoping the grass is greener on the other side isn’t a great lifelong philosophy 

only counter argument is money of which a flash in the pan payday isn’t always life changing for someone in their early 20s if the right discipline isn’t in place

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8 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Goes beyond the sport … learn commitment early, will benefit you in the long run. Getting off topic here a bit but jumping ship and always hoping the grass is greener on the other side isn’t a great lifelong philosophy 

only counter argument is money of which a flash in the pan payday isn’t always life changing for someone in their early 20s if the right discipline isn’t in place

This isn't the 80s and 90s anymore. Commitment doesn't mean sticking with a school for 4-5 years. It means fulfilling your obligations, which is a one year contract to be a student athlete.

There's no guarantee for these adults that the contract will be there next year. Not to mention, any member of the staff can and does leave year over year. Is that teaching commitment?

You have no idea what that bonus means to each player. For some, it is life changing regardless of future earnings.

You make it sound like meeting their obligations, getting paid for their value, and choosing the path that they believe is best for them is a bad thing. 

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9 hours ago, NDRA said:

Have to agree with Siouxperman here.  Optimism is a good thing but I would say a transfer players chances for NFL are as good, or better at a bigger school.  There is some relevance in past performance as compared to optimism for the future.  Guess we'll see.

If they sit on the bench at a B1G school, it doesn't help them get noticed by NFL scouts.

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59 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

If they sit on the bench at a B1G school, it doesn't help them get noticed by NFL scouts.

That is true.  The question is will they start/play at the B1G school.  If they can't cut it in the B1G they probably can't make it in the NFL anyway.  All things being equal, they get a better look from playing in the B1G.  

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3 hours ago, Siouxperman8 said:

That is true.  The question is will they start/play at the B1G school.  If they can't cut it in the B1G they probably can't make it in the NFL anyway.  All things being equal, they get a better look from playing in the B1G.  

It’s not a perfect science, and the opportunities provided after transfer aren’t always fair.

“If they can’t cut it in the BIG they probably can’t make it in the NFL anyway”

Not true, considering depth charts can be stacked at certain positions and some players develop at different rates, not to mention all of the players that have succeeded in the NFL historically that have not come from P4 conferences like the Big 10. And players that have failed in the NFL despite coming from P4 conferences.

Quite revealing to see so many folks on an absolute irrational obsession with the Big 10 …

UND football will be taking huge steps in professional development over the next couple of years … and the fact remains that some players who transfer from UND football looking for greener pastures will be making a mistake. 

 

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20 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Past is not entirely relevant, otherwise change would never happen. New focus and infrastructure fuels the new potential. It’ll happen. There will always be pessimists. 

Did you enjoy watching 2  NDSU lineman start for the Seahawks tonight?  

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