Prospective Recruits

[nascar99]

Mood this morning

[scpa0305]

1 minute ago, ChadR said:

To be fair, they've only gotten commits from Minnesota kids.

There’s a ton of good MN kids though…in all seriousness while I do like this commit, there’s others I’m a little higher on. Cullen was the only commit that really stung. I didn’t think we’d get him but I was hoping the gophs didn’t get him 

[AJS]

17 minutes ago, nascar99 said:

Luca Jarvis (2008, Stillwater MN, USHL, Youngstown Phantoms) commits to Minnesota. Motzko & the Gophers are back in terms of recruiting

Genuine question, since I really don't know. Gunnar Conboy, Brooks Cullen, Wyatt Cullen, Luka Jarvis. At this time, are any / all blue-chip type recruits? High-end? High upside? Are we talking 4.5 / 5-star guys? 

[nascar99]

5 minutes ago, AJS said:

Genuine question, since I really don't know. Gunnar Conboy, Brooks Cullen, Wyatt Cullen, Luka Jarvis. At this time, are any / all blue-chip type recruits? High-end? High upside? Are we talking 4.5 / 5-star guys? 

Brooks Cullen is a nothing burger, he's just depth guy they needed to get to get Wyatt & maybe Joey down the road. Conboy and Jarvis are low end 4 stars, we'll see what they do in junior this year, Wyatt Cullen is a high end 4 star, he has legitimate low end 5 star upside.

[scpa0305]

7 minutes ago, AJS said:

Genuine question, since I really don't know. Gunnar Conboy, Brooks Cullen, Wyatt Cullen, Luka Jarvis. At this time, are any / all blue-chip type recruits? High-end? High upside? Are we talking 4.5 / 5-star guys? 

Due to his brain…I’d say Cullen. Later bloomer. Grew a lot in the past 12 months. If he gets over 6ft, look out 

[skateshattrick]

2 minutes ago, nascar99 said:

Brooks Cullen is a nothing burger, he's just depth guy they needed to get to get Wyatt & maybe Joey down the road. Conboy and Jarvis are low end 4 stars, we'll see what they do in junior this year, Wyatt Cullen is a high end 4 star, he has legitimate low end 5 star upside.

I wouldn't characterize Brooks as a nothing burger. I agree he's not a star, but his heart and character are similar to his dad Matt. He will get better and will be a very good college player. Wyatt and Joey Cullen are legitimate high end players. 

[UNDMOORHEAD]

4 minutes ago, skateshattrick said:

I wouldn't characterize Brooks as a nothing burger. I agree he's not a star, but his heart and character are similar to his dad Matt. He will get better and will be a very good college player. Wyatt and Joey Cullen are legitimate high end players. 

If Brooks wasn't Matt's kid Big schools wouldn't have recruited him. Wyatt and Joey are the two that teams want.

[skateshattrick]

6 minutes ago, UNDMOORHEAD said:

If Brooks wasn't Matt's kid Big schools wouldn't have recruited him. Wyatt and Joey are the two that teams want.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I recall a similar narrative when Matt Cullen's brothers Mark and Joe were being recruited. They ended up to be pretty good college players and even played some pro hockey. I would never underestimate any Cullen because they have such incredible work ethic, character and heart. Even Matt was regarded as an average skater when he went to St. Cloud, but he worked on it and ended up being a really good skater. 

[SpudsSioux]

Outside of Wyatt (who I don’t think anyone thought was a possibility), is there anyone that’s committed right now that we’d rather have than DuPont, Carels, Fitzhenry, England, Daley, etc?

I personally love that this staff is more calculated and doesn’t mass offer on day 1. That’s how you get into the mess we’ve been on with recruiting misses. I trust Chyzyk has a plan (and a plan B, C, D like Schloss always says. I’m glad we didn’t settle for a portal forward and D and waited out Reschny and Voerhoff 😀. Here’s to hoping this is some of the same. 

[beastandco]

7 minutes ago, SpudsSioux said:

Outside of Wyatt (who I don’t think anyone thought was a possibility), is there anyone that’s committed right now that we’d rather have than DuPont, Carels, Fitzhenry, England, Daley, etc?

I personally love that this staff is more calculated and doesn’t mass offer on day 1. That’s how you get into the mess we’ve been on with recruiting misses. I trust Chyzyk has a plan (and a plan B, C, D like Schloss always says. I’m glad we didn’t settle for a portal forward and D and waited out Reschny and Voerhoff 😀. Here’s to hoping this is some of the same. 

Scantlebury should be mentioned in that group. He is going to BU and higher rated than Wyatt Cullen. Cullen will need to grow to reach his highest potential. Right now, he is similar to an LJ Mooney or Mac Swanson. 
 

I would be much more worried right now if the top guys are flying off of the board.  I wouldn’t say we are really missing out on much because the guys that are committing are not huge targets of ours. Outside of Minnesota, the blue bloods have been relatively quiet. Minnesota has really only gotten their local kids and their fans are hanging the banner.

[AJS]

@SpudsSioux great post! It's along the lines of the question I posed earlier. The fatal flaw with recruiting from a social media perspective, is everyone is treated by the fanbases / media like they are 5-star recruit. It's universal. I get it. There's no reason to be a wet blanket. If you compared two recruiting classes. One has one 5-star and the other has three 4-star and two 3.5 star commits a few weeks into August; I'll tell you which one I'd want UND to be and which one the social media hype will tell you is better. 

Echoing what @SpudsSioux said, I love the calculated approach (what I perceive to be). I'm hoping they are only offering guys they feel are legit "big-time" recruits in this early portion (August / September). 

[SpudsSioux]

After listening to BC speak on a podcast (I can’t remember which one), he also talked about how this staff is really prioritizing good dudes where they know they’ll fit in the team dynamic and bleed green and he said you just don’t get that before being in a room with the recruit (and their parents, for that matter) for awhile, getting them around the guys, etc. so with the Minnesota kids, they probably took unofficial visits since it’s not a big expense to come for the day. With some of the big targets in Western Canada or across the US, they may have waited until August 1st when they could take visits paid for by the school. I’m as anxious as anyone to hear some big news, but i think a lot of the things we’ve seen play out poorly the last few years are going to be remedied by this new recruiting approach. 

[brianvf]

1 hour ago, SpudsSioux said:

Outside of Wyatt (who I don’t think anyone thought was a possibility), is there anyone that’s committed right now that we’d rather have than DuPont, Carels, Fitzhenry, England, Daley, etc?

I personally love that this staff is more calculated and doesn’t mass offer on day 1. That’s how you get into the mess we’ve been on with recruiting misses. I trust Chyzyk has a plan (and a plan B, C, D like Schloss always says. I’m glad we didn’t settle for a portal forward and D and waited out Reschny and Voerhoff 😀. Here’s to hoping this is some of the same. 

100% agreed.  UMN has landed a few nice recruits the last week or so, but they'd all be in that 3.5-4.5 star group.  From what I hear, they'll likely land a few more shortly.
But not a single one of those recruits would I take above the list of players that you show above.

Which is why I chuckle a little when I see these tweets from Goofer fans:

  

[scpa0305]

1 hour ago, beastandco said:

Scantlebury should be mentioned in that group. He is going to BU and higher rated than Wyatt Cullen. Cullen will need to grow to reach his highest potential. Right now, he is similar to an LJ Mooney or Mac Swanson. 
 

I would be much more worried right now if the top guys are flying off of the board.  I wouldn’t say we are really missing out on much because the guys that are committing are not huge targets of ours. Outside of Minnesota, the blue bloods have been relatively quiet. Minnesota has really only gotten their local kids and their fans are hanging the banner.

Wyatt is not the size of Swanson or Mooney….i saw him in April and he’s every bit of 5’10”/5’11” and he’s definitely not done growing. He was tiny his first year of bantams and def not big his second year of bantams. But he’s def growing now…I have a hunch he’ll be a high high ender 

[beastandco]

30 minutes ago, scpa0305 said:

Wyatt is not the size of Swanson or Mooney….i saw him in April and he’s every bit of 5’10”/5’11” and he’s definitely not done growing. He was tiny his first year of bantams and def not big his second year of bantams. But he’s def growing now…I have a hunch he’ll be a high high ender 

He must’ve grown quite a bit. Elite prospects had him measured at 5’8” 146lbs. Granted, he is still 16 and has time to fill out. Who knows when that measurement was taken too.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

59 minutes ago, brianvf said:

100% agreed.  UMN has landed a few nice recruits the last week or so, but they'd all be in that 3.5-4.5 star group.  From what I hear, they'll likely land a few more shortly.
But not a single one of those recruits would I take above the list of players that you show above.

Which is why I chuckle a little when I see these tweets from Goofer fans:

  

#FreezingColdTakes

[nascar99]

1 hour ago, brianvf said:

100% agreed.  UMN has landed a few nice recruits the last week or so, but they'd all be in that 3.5-4.5 star group.  From what I hear, they'll likely land a few more shortly.
But not a single one of those recruits would I take above the list of players that you show above.

Which is why I chuckle a little when I see these tweets from Goofer fans:

  

"Generational run" lmfao. He's picked up some nice recruits after the previous 12 months which was the worst calendar year of recruiting in Minnesota Men's Hockey history.

While every fanbase is guilty of overreacting to commits and overhyping said commits, I do find it pretty hilarious that Goofers fans don't put more pressure on Motzko & co to actually win a National Title, the only thing that matters, which they haven't won since 2003.

[Blackheart]

5 hours ago, beastandco said:

Scantlebury should be mentioned in that group. He is going to BU and higher rated than Wyatt Cullen. Cullen will need to grow to reach his highest potential. Right now, he is similar to an LJ Mooney or Mac Swanson. 
 

I would be much more worried right now if the top guys are flying off of the board.  I wouldn’t say we are really missing out on much because the guys that are committing are not huge targets of ours. Outside of Minnesota, the blue bloods have been relatively quiet. Minnesota has really only gotten their local kids and their fans are hanging the banner.

Did the Gofers just win August?

[brianvf]

C'mon Chyz, bag a great one!

 

[Scratch]

With Tyler Young signing is it fair to assume our last forward for this year will be another old transfer? Only criticism of the new staff I have so far is that we are still taking scraps from bottom-tier programs (no offense to Young) born out of desperation to fill the lineup. I hope that is because we couldn't get young skill to round out the lineup. If its by design, not sure what to make of it as we've seen how that's worked out the last four years (zero transfers with any notable impact, other than negative) while BU has taken the young and skilled strategy to the frozen four every year. 

[siouxforce19]

12 minutes ago, Scratch said:

With Tyler Young signing is it fair to assume our last forward for this year will be another old transfer? Only criticism of the new staff I have so far is that we are still taking scraps from bottom-tier programs (no offense to Young) born out of desperation to fill the lineup. I hope that is because we couldn't get young skill to round out the lineup. If its by design, not sure what to make of it as we've seen how that's worked out the last four years (zero transfers with any notable impact, other than negative) while BU has taken the young and skilled strategy to the frozen four every year. 

I don’t think it will be a transfer. 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

10 minutes ago, Scratch said:

With Tyler Young signing is it fair to assume our last forward for this year will be another old transfer? Only criticism of the new staff I have so far is that we are still taking scraps from bottom-tier programs (no offense to Young) born out of desperation to fill the lineup. I hope that is because we couldn't get young skill to round out the lineup. If its by design, not sure what to make of it as we've seen how that's worked out the last four years (zero transfers with any notable impact, other than negative) while BU has taken the young and skilled strategy to the frozen four every year. 

Ford and Driscoll were definitely net positives.

[Scratch]

9 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Ford and Driscoll were definitely net positives.

Ford was pretty good. If I remember correctly Driscoll was the definition of average. I wouldn't say either moved the needle. 

[nascar99]

Hayden Harsanyi (2007, WHL, Saskatoon Blades) commits to Colorado College.

Tigers really doing work in the Dub, really interested to see how their build turns out in a few years.

[beastandco]

25 minutes ago, Scratch said:

With Tyler Young signing is it fair to assume our last forward for this year will be another old transfer? Only criticism of the new staff I have so far is that we are still taking scraps from bottom-tier programs (no offense to Young) born out of desperation to fill the lineup. I hope that is because we couldn't get young skill to round out the lineup. If its by design, not sure what to make of it as we've seen how that's worked out the last four years (zero transfers with any notable impact, other than negative) while BU has taken the young and skilled strategy to the frozen four every year. 

Young is a move that frees up a roster spot in a year. He’ll suit up for every game and give us 10 hard minutes a night. He is out after this season and gives a recruit another year to develop in juniors. A move like that was inevitable and it beats having someone come in that the staff is not sold on long term.