GrahamKracker Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 With the withdraw of the Spirit Lake Nation, I wonder what Kupcake will do now. He was sooo damn proud of the fact that 1/2 of the Sioux Nation (In this state only, because they didn't ask for the resolutions from all of the other SIOUX Nations....) was FOR the name. Check, your move. (not quite checkmate, but we're getting there) Hetche to. Quote
GrahamKracker Posted August 31, 2005 Author Posted August 31, 2005 http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/12517168.htm here's that website Quote
Diggler Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 He'll just have to live with the NCAA giving UND an exemption I guess. Quote
GrahamKracker Posted August 31, 2005 Author Posted August 31, 2005 He'll just have to live with the NCAA giving UND an exemption I guess. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Poor Kupcake, I almost feel for for that invertebrate.....he pissed off the people for change, with this flip-flopping ways, now FS lovers will dis-own him after he loses this battle.. Quote
PCM Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Poor Kupcake, I almost feel for for that invertebrate.....he pissed off the people for change, with this flip-flopping ways, now FS lovers will dis-own him after he loses this battle.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sometimes I think it's a sin When I feel like I'm winnin' when I'm losin again -- Gordon Lightfoot Quote
Fedorov Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Saltine, why would UND need support from people from India? Quote
Sioux,CO Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Grahamkracker, So they've changed their minds due to pressure from activists like yourself. Now if UND just changes the name all Native problems will be solved. Thank God there are great individuals out there like yourself and the NC$$ fighting for the "REAL" problems facing Native people today. Hopefully you can get the State of North Dakota to change it's name also. That would be awesome, since this is another great problem that affects Native people on a day-to-day basis. Just go away. Bye Bye.... Quote
Blackheart Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Grahamkracker, So they've changed their minds due to pressure from activists like yourself. Now if UND just changes the name all Native problems will be solved. Thank God there are great individuals out there like yourself and the NC$$ fighting for the "REAL" problems facing Native people today. Hopefully you can get the State of North Dakota to change it's name also. That would be awesome, since this is another great problem that affects Native people on a day-to-day basis. Just go away. Bye Bye.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> agreed.... Quote
teamsioux Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 agreed.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly, a few activists with nothing better to do. A huge percentage of Spirit Lake still supports tha name. I wonder when they will address the real problems such as health care, alcoholism, education,etc. Probably not in the plans Quote
The Sicatoka Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Seminoles, Utes, and Chippewas press for the survival of their namesakes. The Sioux? Nope. Who's out of touch. (<--- Note that's not a question.) Quote
jojordan23 Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 I have 2 words to describe my feelings on DEVIL's LAKE Tribe withdrawing its support for the nickname... WHO CARES?!?! The University of North Dakota is a state-funded school, it is not funded by oh, how do I put this, by a reservation! I have NEVER seen anybody (mis)represent the school or any of its athletic teams in a way that should be considered offensive by anybody. I am so sick and tired of this crying, whining, name-calling, crap that you nickname opponents insist on carrying on! People in this world live in poverty, filth, and warzones, but you people are crying and whining about a simple NICKNAME!!! The name doesn't even have any connection to the Native American tribes, according to the head of the United Tribes! I saw him on Outside the Lines on ESPN, talking about how the tribes real names are the LAKOTA, the DAKOTA, and the NAKOTA. So if NONE of them are actually "SIOUX" people, then there shouldn't be a problem. Yes, there is a problem. The problem lies in the fact that we established a reservation system and created a segregated state between Native Americans and those of us descended from Europeans/Scandanavians. Whining about something this stupid will not change the fact that we live in a country that seperates people just because of things that happened over 200 years ago! Quote
Let'sGoHawks! Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Exactly, a few activists with nothing better to do. A huge percentage of Spirit Lake still supports tha name. I wonder when they will address the real problems such as health care, alcoholism, education,etc. Probably not in the plans <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, agreed. Vocal minority, please go away Mr. Saltine. Quote
Let'sGoHawks! Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 I have 2 words to describe my feelings on DEVIL's LAKE Tribe withdrawing its support for the nickname... WHO CARES?!?! The University of North Dakota is a state-funded school, it is not funded by oh, how do I put this, by a reservation! I have NEVER seen anybody (mis)represent the school or any of its athletic teams in a way that should be considered offensive by anybody. I am so sick and tired of this crying, whining, name-calling, crap that you nickname opponents insist on carrying on! People in this world live in poverty, filth, and warzones, but you people are crying and whining about a simple NICKNAME!!! The name doesn't even have any connection to the Native American tribes, according to the head of the United Tribes! I saw him on Outside the Lines on ESPN, talking about how the tribes real names are the LAKOTA, the DAKOTA, and the NAKOTA. So if NONE of them are actually "SIOUX" people, then there shouldn't be a problem. Yes, there is a problem. The problem lies in the fact that we established a reservation system and created a segregated state between Native Americans and those of us descended from Europeans/Scandanavians. Whining about something this stupid will not change the fact that we live in a country that seperates people just because of things that happened over 200 years ago! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree. I assume you've been in Iraq, if so, thank you for your service and welcome back! Quote
UND83 Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Seminoles, Utes, and Chippewas press for the survival of their namesakes. The Sioux? Nope. Who's out of touch. (<--- Note that's not a question.) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Let's change our name to the Seminoles (they may give us permission!!). That way we keep the logo, REA changes a couple of words and we're set. Quote
fightonsioux Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 I have officially withdrawn my support (money) to the Spirit Lake Casino, Dakota Magic Casino and any plans Turtle Mountain has to build one in Grand Forks. As soon as the 21 out of 30 Indian programs at UND that don't support the name...go away... I will vote for the Sioux nickname to ...go away. Until then...go away. Quote
tony Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 You know in the grand scheme of things, riding in the back of a bus probably wasn't that big of deal. After all, black folks had lots of other more pressing things to worry about - poverty and illiteracy for example. Now, when blacks first started whining (to re-use Fight Sioux supporter's verb of choice) about that, I'm sure that upstanding white folks muttered about retribution and whatnot. I'm sure they claimed that no good black person they knew cared about riding in the back of the bus. I'm sure there were many who preferred it that way. Heck, I bet it was a bunch of pointy-headed liberals from Yankee-land causing problems. I bet some people who didn't want to change the status quo even said that many of their best friends were black people and that they didn't personally know any black people who wanted to make waves. I mean, if riding in the back of the bus was such a big deal, why weren't black people complaining about it decades before they did? Maybe, just maybe, the Sioux tribal councils view this as a symbolic deal. Maybe they viewed the whole "old boys network" that worked behind the scenes with the Board of Higher Ed to block any changes to the precious nickname as a slap in the face, considering that finally UND had looked like they were interested in their input. There is a lot of anger - and I'd even go so far to say hate - from some folks on this issue. If you want to come up with a lasting solution, it's time for UND to go to the Sioux tribes and treat them with some respect and actually listen to them rather then just calling them names. Sometimes it's hard to listen to anybody else when you've gotten all worked up. Maybe it's time that UND folks step back, take a breath, and start reaching out to the Sioux tribes. Quote
jloos Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 I assume Spirit Lake High School will now be changing their nickname - the Indians . I'm a little surpised the Tribal Council caved in to the activists, I thought they were smart enough to see they are simply being used by the PC left elitists. I think this resolution will be the backbreaker for the Sioux name. It gives the NCAA reason to differentiate from Florida State. The whole thing is so stupid. Even though these Tribal Councils have passed these resolutions, people need to realize it is still a vast minority of Natives who oppose the name. In my opinion these Tribal Councils are being used by these leftist activists. Tony, comparing the Sioux name to segregation is at best, in poor taste. The University of North Dakota has done more for Natives than any school in the midwest. Their Native MD program is the best in the country and their Indian Law program is in the top 3 in the country. UND has done a great job honoring not only the Sioux, but all Natives. Quote
PCM Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Sometimes it's hard to listen to anybody else when you've gotten all worked up. Maybe it's time that UND folks step back, take a breath, and start reaching out to the Sioux tribes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Where would we be without tony, the UND pseudo-expert, delivering advice from his position of moral superiority gained from NDSU's use of an NCAA-approved nickname and logo? It's wonderful that NDSU can proclaim itself "progressive" simply by slapping the word and a picture of an American Indian dancer on the front of a brochure. But in this world, there are universities that spin, universities that engage in symbolic gestures and universities that make a real difference in the lives of American Indians. I know which category UND is in. Quote
Fetch Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 As one opponent recently said it's time to quit living in the 1700 & 1800's - I think Reservations are Abusive & should be abolished - Gambiling is Abusive & creates Hostility & should be abolished Quote
sioux goo Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 why is there no protest to the Bottineu Braves...or Spirit Lake Indians...in fact...they have been endorsed to use the native american name...why?? because they are predominant native american school....now if this nickname is offensive to one place that uses it....its offensive to ALL that use it....what about Red Lake??? protest their nickname as well then....if its offensive in one instance...it MUST apply to all situations!!!!.....You cannot pick and choose which battle YOU feel is a just cause!!! ITS THAT SIMPLE!!!!! Quote
ScottM Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 As one opponent recently said it's time to quit living in the 1700 & 1800's - I think Reservations are Abusive & should be abolished - Gambiling is Abusive & creates Hostility & should be abolished <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Speaking of, what are the odds, some pun intended, that the GF big-wigs will back a casino in town? You know, given that the entire city, and much of its local govt, is stacked with UND alums, etc., who may not be favorably disposed to doing anything for the Spirit Lake folks. Quote
Cratter Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Speaking of, what are the odds, some pun intended, that the GF big-wigs will back a casino in town? You know, given that the entire city, and much of its local govt, is stacked with UND alums, etc., who may not be favorably disposed to doing anything for the Spirit Lake folks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would hope some people should be able to put there personal differences aside and look at the big picture, act like adults, and do what is best for the city. Bringing a Casino to town would probably be greater for UND than any nickname. Quote
HockeyMom Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Change the name, doze down Engelstad Arena, take away all of the programs and incentives associated in any way to Native Americans and forget about them. "Be careful what you wish for, it might come true." Quote
IowaBison Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 Sometimes it's hard to listen to anybody else when you've gotten all worked up. Maybe it's time that UND folks step back, take a breath, and start reaching out to the Sioux tribes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Apparently a couple of broken promises on the part of UND following the last vote played a part (see Skip Longie's quote). AP Article If the University had done what it had promised to do (in addition to ending the sale of Siouxper Dogs and HSioux0 for heaven's sake), maybe they wouldn't be in the place they are today. Quote
mksioux Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 I would hope some people should be able to put there personal differences aside and look at the big picture, act like adults, and do what is best for the city. Bringing a Casino to town would probably be greater for UND than any nickname. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In theory, I have no problem with denying a casino to a tribe who has opposed the nickname. Face it, Turtle Mountain needs the casino much more than Grand Forks does. Why should we do them any favors? Actions have consequences. That is the reality of the "adult" world. Having said that, the problem is that both Turtle Mountain and (now) Spirit Lake are opposed to the nickname. I would imagine Spirit Lake is very much opposed to a new casino in Grand Forks. So whatever Grand Forks does regarding Turtle Mountain Quote
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