PCM Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 I have to give Larry Adams credit for coming up with a whole new definition of the word "Sioux" that I've never heard before. The word "Sioux" comes from an Ojibwe word, naddesioux. Naddesioux means "sneaky," "stealthy" or being able to sneak up on someone very quietly. The Dakotah used to be able to sneak up on the Ojibwe during their wars; hence the term, naddesioux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 NA Student Letter He seems really bitter and angry to me. The land was stolen and no one ever apologized. If the US Gov't stole land from the Dakota, did the Chippewa also not steal land from the Dakota? After all, the Chippewa didn't pay the Dakota for the land either, they just took. Everyone's favorite reporter! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I liked that letter to the editor. It's mean-spirited, lacking in dialogue that is relevant to the 21st century, lacking in 'completeness' and totally irrelevant in regard to the use of the Sioux name. Who can take that cr@p seriously? PCM's editorial, on the other hand, is filled with relevant facts and figures. It lacks the 'meanness' and irrelevant name calling of the tauthor of the letter to the editor. The information places UND head and shoulders above all other programs with Indian nicknames, logos and/or mascots; including those that have been gante exemptions. Well done, PCM. And as far as the lady's remarks about the national athem, pshaw!! Loyalty, respect, honor, and yes, mushy as it sounds, love are the reasons we yell 'SIOUX' at the end of the national athem. NO DISRESPECT is intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 PCM's editorial, on the other hand, is filled with relevant facts and figures. It lacks the 'meanness' and irrelevant name calling of the tauthor of the letter to the editor I included the meanness and name-calling in the original version of my opinion piece, which USCHO declined to publish without significant softening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 As a Dakotah/Ojibwe, I am dishonored by UND's use of the name Fighting Sioux.Sounds like Larry has other "issues" not related to a school's name. Neither they nor their descendants ever even said "We're sorry," let alone paid for the very land that those descendants are sitting on right now. Not that it would make an iota of difference in your mind, Larry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 From the Daily Illini: NCAA policy extended include BCS games Chief Illiniwek generally does not travel to away events, and the "Illini" and "Fighting Illini" nicknames do not appear on football uniforms. University spokesman Tom Hardy said this could mean that the ruling has no impact at all. "We're examining that decision by the NCAA," Hardy said. "Our athletic staff, our legal council and other people at the University and campus level are taking a look at what effect that would have."Hardy said the University is still considering whether it will appeal Illinois' inclusion on the list. "We haven't made any final decisions yet regarding an appeal, so that option remains open," Hardy said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakotadan Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 NA Student Letter He seems really bitter and angry to me. The land was stolen and no one ever apologized. If the US Gov't stole land from the Dakota, did the Chippewa also not steal land from the Dakota? After all, the Chippewa didn't pay the Dakota for the land either, they just took. Everyone's favorite reporter! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Reguarding Barbara White, it is sad that we live in a society that people walk around just waiting for something to happen that they can be offended about. This same lady probably was buning bras and flags back in the '60s and '70s. Hell, she is probably burning them right now. As for Larry D. Adams, he must have scoliosis by now for carrying that giant chip around... Meanwhile, look at the history since Euro-Americans arrived in their boats here on Turtle Island in 1492. At least 15 to 100 million innocent Turtle Island elders, men, women and children have been massacred by those Euro-Americans by various means, including genocide and virucide. Neither they nor their descendants ever even said "We're sorry," let alone paid for the very land that those descendants are sitting on right now. Get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 Will sportswriters ever get tired of bashing the NCAA on this issue? Here's an amusing tidbit from The Sporting News Caught on the Fly column: An organization dealing only in the hypothetical The NCAA is ordering bowl games to ban "hostile" Native American nicknames, logos and mascots, a ruling that affects only Illinois. Now that Project Illini is in place, the NCAA can move on to other matters, like what to do if athletic eligibility is sought by the Easter Bunny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 I love that. Europeans brought viruses with them intentionally to kill off the Native Americans. Classic. While we're at it, I heard Jews were "crawling with money" the other day. Though I'm not rich, I hope I'll be inflicted with money every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 From the Sept. 22 Journal and Courier Online: Shortsighted NCAA swings and misses, again The NCAA is such an easy target. But they bring this on themselves with lots of book smarts and no common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 ....If the US Gov't stole land from the Dakota, did the Chippewa also not steal land from the Dakota? After all, the Chippewa didn't pay the Dakota for the land either, they just took. Thanks for mentioning this, Diggler, as I've had the same thought myself for some time. That's how life was back then. Groups pushed each other around and the strongest got what they wanted. I've no pride in how the US Government dealt with American Indians at time in history, and I wish the dealings had been more forthright. But the various tribes and nations weren't compensating each other for what they took from each other either. That's the way things worked back then. I don't see that as relevant to the nickname discussion. Nor do I see the complaining about using the word Sioux, which apparently hasn't been a problem even for American Indians to use for an awfully long time. I'd like to know if if Larry has a problem with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 I'd like to know if if Larry has a problem with this <{POST_SNAPBACK}> MafiaMan should have a problem with it. After all, casino is an Italian word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodaker Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 Kupchella headed to Spirit Lake tomorrow. http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/12742626.htm <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If the Spirit Lake tribe grants us their approval and in theory the NC$$ gives us an exemption, will that be the end of it as far as the NC$$ goes?? Could the Tribal leadership change next year and they give the NC$$ a call and say they changed their minds and our exemption is removed? Would we be back to square one? I ask this because it seems that if this is ever going to possibly go away it seems to me this has to go to the courts. Go Sioux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 If the Spirit Lake tribe grants us their approval and in theory the NC$$ gives us an exemption, will that be the end of it as far as the NC$$ goes?? Could the Tribal leadership change next year and they give the NC$$ a call and say they changed their minds and our exemption is removed? Would we be back to square one? I ask this because it seems that if this is ever going to possibly go away it seems to me this has to go to the courts. Go Sioux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've wondered about this too, and I think Kupchella alluded to that concern in his first response to the NCAA where he mentioned something about tribal support coming and going. I don't remember his exact quote, but basically he referred to how it can change from time and time. Primarily I want to retain the nickname, however it happens. But my preference would be a decision that did not hinge on tribal support, because I think that has a better chance of putting the issue to rest for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 Probably not the right place, but can anyone explain all the different variations on Dakota. Or Dacotah, or Dakotah, or ... Is it a tribal dialect thing? It seems that the proper way is Dacotah, but most tribes display Dakota. At least on casinos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 I included the meanness and name-calling in the original version of my opinion piece, which USCHO declined to publish without significant softening. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Censors, bah humbug!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 From the Daily Illini: NCAA policy extended include BCS games <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey, back up a bit, there's a Nokia Bowl? Has anyone asked the residents of Nokia, Finland if it's ok to name a football game after their city? Who the he!! does the BCS think they are naming a football bowl after an entire city. And there's a Tostitos Bowl? As a woman of Mexican heritage, I am offended! Using a Spanish word that means, well, it doesn't really mean anything, maybe 'little toasted' but it's suppose to be a spanish word and I'm offended. How dare the BCS use a meaningless, supposedly spanish word as a name for a football game. My PC sensibilites are running amuck with intimidation, humiliation, fear for my life, and a complete lack of purpose in life. Who do I can I complain to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Hey, back up a bit, there's a Nokia Bowl? Has anyone asked the residents of Nokia, Finland if it's ok to name a football game after their city? Who the he!! does the BCS think they are naming a football bowl after an entire city. And there's a Tostitos Bowl? As a woman of Mexican heritage, I am offended! Using a Spanish word that means, well, it doesn't really mean anything, maybe 'little toasted' but it's suppose to be a spanish word and I'm offended. How dare the BCS use a meaningless, supposedly spanish word as a name for a football game. My PC sensibilites are running amuck with intimidation, humiliation, fear for my life, and a complete lack of purpose in life. Who do I can I complain to? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "little toasted?" Isn't that a reference to illegal drugs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND83 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Kupchella's meeting with Spirit Lake cancelled. Hmmm. The plot thickens. http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/12747751.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 "little toasted?" Isn't that a reference to illegal drugs? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Now ain't that just great! Now there's a football bowl that is enabling drug use!!! When, oh when, will it all end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Kupchella's meeting with Spirit Lake cancelled. Hmmm. The plot thickens. http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/12747751.htm <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Does anyone else think that maybe there's beatings, humiliating, death threats, etc. going on amongst the different Sioux tribes that is not coming from non-Indians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 This seems to be turning into a railroading. UND isn't even being given an opportunity to tell their side of the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Hopefully there was a valid reason for cancelling the meeting, and they are going to reschedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choyt3 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 From GF Herald article linked above... Jeanotte took issue with Kupchella's assertion that their presentation distorted the truth. "I've been here a long time - 30 some years - and I really value that on occasion we are asked for input on relatively important issues, but when it comes to (the nickname) issues, he has not once included us in the process," Jeanotte said.I don't think it truly is an "us" issue with Jeanotte. It looks more like a "me" complex, which would go great lengths to explain why Kupchella wouldn't press the speed dial # to Leigh's office every time he had a thought concerning the nickname. Might have something to do with Jeanotte being a jackbag, not that I have any personal knowledge of that being the case. It sure is funny how Jeanotte can go from being quoted in a dedication program as saying "There are a handful of larger insitutions that have more American Indian students, but they don't have the support services and the number of programs that we have,"said Jeanotte. "When you compare it nationwide, I don't think there's an institution that can touch us." While going on to say, "The thing that I think is real promising is UND President Kupchella's commitment to advance the opportunities for American Indian students here." to saying his most recent quote in the heraldo. After nearly 30 years, UND was GREAT. After "30 - some years", UND is BAD? Hopefully the Herald has someone with the cajones to put the quote in the paper taken directly from the dedication program. Seems that it wouldn't be a good idea for a person to hold their breath waiting for that to happen. On another note, how much did PCM have to pay to get that great letter published? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choyt3 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Kick Out the Sports! - Flak Magazine, Cambridge, MA Warning! Bridges website is used as a "source", as is Vastlane.org. In 1930, outraged alumni did not protest North Dakota's decision to change its nickname from Flickertails to Fighting Sioux, a decision made because it sounded as tough as archrival North Dakota State's Mighty Bison, and because nobody could come up with a cheer that could rhyme Flickertails. But today, filthy-rich alumnus Ralph Englestad threatens to withdraw all financial support from his alma mater if it even thinks of caving into a 35-year effort to get rid of the Fighting Sioux nickname. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Kupchella's meeting with Spirit Lake cancelled. Hmmm. The plot thickens. http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/12747751.htm <{POST_SNAPBACK}> KVLY 10:00P news promo just said, 'Find out why Spirit Lake isn't meeting with UND tomorrow.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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