2025 Non-UND FCS News/Scores Thread

[SIOUXFAN97]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Five said:

Well true, but when Schmidt wins one UND won't call it JV like they have been the last 20 years either.

no but we will keep it in context....we won't being bring on bama a week after losing to wofford.

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

Not saying that at all. FCS titles are great. But after 10 in 15 years, they aren’t as exciting. Playing in the FBS is more exciting. D2 championships were great too. But FCS was better than D2. Not that hard to comprehend.

not that exciting...what changed?????

[Johnny Five]

38 minutes ago, homer said:

I know your trying to stir the pot but why would any of the regional schools travel to Fargo when P4 schools pay them much more and are better exposure?  I know you won’t answer and just run back to B’ville to report back

I personally don't feel like NDSU will call UND, SDSU, USD...and I also personally don't think they should be expected to pickup that phone call.  I could be wrong on both ends, just my idiot opinion.

[Johnny Five]

2 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

no but we will keep it in context....we won't being bring on bama a week after losing to wofford.

I would be willing to bet any school who did what NDSU did in the 2010s would have a group of morons saying the same.  Just my experience with SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS!

 

[jdub27]

20 minutes ago, wheelsup said:

im really interested in the financial side of it.. zero dollars better come from the state or student fees.. ive never understood asking kids who are taking out school loans to help fund this kind of crap.. their green and gold or whatever better fund it all.. just like I would expect our champions club to fund ours. 

the financial commitment side of things is huge.. entry fees.. increased scholarships.. coaches.. NIL.. etc.. and remember that most bowl games are gigantic money losers for the schools that play in them.. that’s why schools are turning them down. 
 

If the students vote to pay for it, then I'm fine with it. UND's students were fine increasing their fees a long time ago and have not changed from that stance. NDSU students have rejected a request from the athletic department a handful of times (partially because the athletic department showed up and thought they were going to get a rubber stamp approval and weren't prepared). 

Bigger question is going to be overall budget with the state looking at 10% cuts across the board due to significant drops in oil production and costs. Even if the athletic increase comes from private money, the optics are going have negative blowback given the numbers that are being thrown out. Success is going to be required or some of those deep pockets start to close up. Very interested to see additional numbers on the finance side of it. On top of that, the president got this taken care on his last days. Not his problem anymore. That hire is going to be an interesting role to step into.  

[SIOUXFAN97]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Five said:

I would be willing to bet any school who did what NDSU did in the 2010s would have a group of morons saying the same.  Just my experience with SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS!

 

i never heard mount union saying bring on bama after beating whitewater every year for their d3 titles?

[Hawkster]

1 hour ago, AJS said:

@siouxfan512 good post, but they'll never drop back. The only example of that happening was Idaho and that was because the Sun Belt dropped them. They'll be successful, no doubt, relatively speaking, but each programs definition of success is different. 

Them dominating is a possibility, but lower than most of their fanbase believes. I genuinely wonder if their fanbase would be happy with 9-3 / 8-4 records most years while playing against the new MW teams. Those are really good records, but for a program and the success they've had, that would seem like purgatory. Playing no rivals. That's what would seem to spark interest for most G6 programs. Since outside of a handful of teams yearly, they really have nothing to play for. 

After Idaho was dropped by the SBC they begged, pleaded and threatened every other FBS conference for an invite and didn't get one.   Dropping back was their only alternative.   I can see NDSU being successful in the MW but I doubt they parlay it into anything higher.   B12 or B1G won't ever come calling.   I suppose the PAC might take them if they think they can get another $17 million in entrance money from them but they shouldn't count on it.

My hunch is that NDSU thinks the door will slam shut on moving up so they were desperate.   I can't see any other reason to pay that much money.   I can sorta see the NCAA continuing to make it harder and harder.

[Bin]

I don't know if this has been answered.  Does NDSU suffer any penalties for leaving the MVFC? Losing 8 or 9 conference games has to have an impact. UND loses a lucrative home game in November. 

[nd1sufan]

32 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

not that exciting...what changed?????

Winning 10 of them in 15 years? If UND won 10 D3 hockey championships my guess is fans would probably be wanting to move to D1. I know they are D1, but I would think you would understand that.

[nd1sufan]

6 minutes ago, Bin said:

I don't know if this has been answered.  Does NDSU suffer any penalties for leaving the MVFC? Losing 8 or 9 conference games has to have an impact. UND loses a lucrative home game in November. 

Sam Herder tweeted (X’d) this morning there is no exit fee for the MVFC. No penalties for leaving without notice. 

[cowboys5xsbs]

2 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

Winning 10 of them in 15 years? If UND won 10 D3 hockey championships my guess is fans would probably be wanting to move to D1. I know they are D1, but I would think you would understand that.

I don't see umary or minot state saying they can beat UND in hockey

[wheelsup]

37 minutes ago, Johnny Five said:

Well true, but when Schmidt wins one UND won't call it JV like they have been the last 20 years either.

My guess is most will.. but I could be wrong.. fcs is not even close to the top of D1.. but neither is the MWC.. 

im old enough to remember when it would have made sense for NDSU to put the 17MM they are going to spend on moving up to a 3rd or 4th tier “FBS” division to chase garbage bowl games into something like fixing their declining enrollment.. anyhow.. get off my damn lawn 😀.. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

Winning 10 of them in 15 years? If UND won 10 D3 hockey championships my guess is fans would probably be wanting to move to D1. I know they are D1, but I would think you would understand that.

winning titles...then move to a "division" where you can't win a title....

lock up the trophy case and throw away the jv trophhy pics then

[F'n Hawks]

3 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

Sam Herder tweeted (X’d) this morning there is no exit fee for the MVFC. No penalties for leaving without notice. 

Honest question for you:

Obviously the excitement is back to your program. I know attendance has gone down recently and is a big talking point as of late. I think years 1 and 2,  and even years 3 and 4 will see a big increase once they officially become bowl eligible. Do you think the excitement will start to go back down around year 5? Or does it depend on the success they have in the new MW?

[nd1sufan]

22 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said:

Honest question for you:

Obviously the excitement is back to your program. I know attendance has gone down recently and is a big talking point as of late. I think years 1 and 2,  and even years 3 and 4 will see a big increase once they officially become bowl eligible. Do you think the excitement will start to go back down around year 5? Or does it depend on the success they have in the new MW?

Honestly don’t know. It depends on how they do. If they turn into a Boise State of 15 to 20 years ago they may have a better chance of not getting left behind in the future if there is a split, which is now more in question. If they fall on their face excitement will back down. 
 

Some things that are most likely true. It is going to get more expensive in the future to move up, both from the NCAA fee and conference fee. There are too many schools wanting to move (Sac St, Tarleton, UTRGV, etc), willing to pay to get an invite for it not to keep going up.

it is better to be established in the FBS sooner rather than later. 

The current situation was not sustainable. Half empty dome for playoff games told us that. Hearing donation commitments from major donors are significantly larger with the move up and would not be increasing with staying at the FBS level. 

I think the other FCS Dakota schools will have to follow in the next 5-10 years and it may cost them double. Plus they will be playing from behind. 

[jdub27]

24 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

Some things that are most likely true. It is going to get more expensive in the future to move up, both from the NCAA fee and conference fee. There are too many schools wanting to move (Sac St, Tarleton, UTRGV, etc), willing to pay to get an invite for it not to keep going up.

Not sure I buy this, but as with anything, the landscape changes quickly. NIU paid $2 million a year ago, which is not nothing, but it is also peanuts compared to $12.5 million. 

The NCAA fee has already been moved to a point where it is somewhat cost prohibitive unless someone is pretty serious about it, I don't think they will move that again but never say never with the NCAA. 

NDSU was basically bidding against Sac St, who openly offered $10 million plus waiving the right to media fees for an extended period. So the MWC was operating from a position of strength. That (and other G6 conferences) may not be operating from the same position of strength in the future if/when further realignment happens. MWC fell into a perfect storm where you had one school publicly stating they were willing to do anything to get in and another who felt they needed to make a move and got donors on board to write a giant check. They also aren't in a great financial position, having to subsidize the difference in what schools were getting in the old media contract vs. what they are getting with the new deal. $12.5 million goes a way to help cover that subsidy for as they work through lawsuits with the PAC.

[UND-FB-FAN]

4 hours ago, gfhockey said:

I just hope wday doesn’t bid on our tv rights now 

 

 

UND football on TV around the state would be significantly better than Midco … in my opinion. Let rural North Dakota and western North Dakota witness the rise of UND football …

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, gundy1124 said:

Teams I root for:

1. UND

2. New Mexico (Luke)

3 - 10 Rest of the Mountain West

2nd to Last team on planet - Gophers

Last Team on planet - Blundering Turd

If Goofs play the Turd, Goofs have my full support.

I agree with this guy, he gets it 

[cowboys5xsbs]

9 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

UND football on TV around the state would be significantly better than Midco … in my opinion. Let rural North Dakota and western North Dakota witness the rise of UND football …

I get bars around me to put the games on when I can 😆

[Hans8891]

NDSU has been talking about this for years.  It can’t be that big a surprise, other than the very large price tag for conference entry.  I can’t blame them for looking to improve their position.  Whether we like it or not, they have been atop the FCS for a long time.  Circumstances are not significantly different from the dilution of lower divisions.  Division III became Division II and watered that down.  We all needed to move to FCS to avoid playing in a diluted Divison II.  Many better FCS programs now are looking to go FBS, in spite of the fact that none of them are going to realistically be competitive at the top of that Division.   The P4 schools own the NCAA and are the reason for and the recipient of the very lucrative TV contracts.  The G5 schools participate in some aspect but not in the same way.  It still seems at some point, the P4 schools will essentially have their own division and the G5 schools will be in with the rest of the FCS schools, which is starting to transition already.  As noted in earlier rankings, MWC is not significantly higher in ratings than the MVFC in terms of football talent.

I will miss playing the BIson.  They are our in-state rivals and we as a state should want that game played.  I sincerely hope that eventually the Dakota and Montana schools all end up in a conference together.  They are good rivals with good traditions and good fan bases.  We often travel to Fargo for football and basketball games, in spite of the fact that we know we will encounter a few insufferables.   More often than not, we have a great time - and it’s a whole lot more fun in football now that UND has improved its program.   Rivalries require rivals.  I don’t care what the Bison crazies say.  They want the rivalry too.  We lost the Gophers in our hockey conference and some of the Sioux faithful refused to call it a rivalry anymore.  Anyone want to comment on what the highest price ticketed game at the Ralph is?  It’s not Duluth or Denver….  I suspect it is a matter of time and we will reunite.  Until then, I still hope we continue to play the Bison.  It is always on my favorites list, whether football or basketball.

[F'n Hawks]

Welcome to the new NCAA. There are no rules anymore so I’m sure they will get this waiver 

[UND69er]

4 hours ago, nd1sufan said:

Not saying that at all. FCS titles are great. But after 10 in 15 years, they aren’t as exciting. Playing in the FBS is more exciting. D2 championships were great too. But FCS was better than D2. Not that hard to comprehend.

FCS champ game in Nashville smashed attendance records. 

NDSU probably would have won fewer if not getting playoffs at home 90+ %.

Great rivalries with El Paso, Hawaii,  other teams etc.? They'll all love to travel to FARGO ND!!

MWC conf games and toilet bowl games,......other than Hawaii and Vegas.......be still my heart. Really exciting!

Travel costs, UFDA!

Have fun!

 

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

9 minutes ago, UND69er said:

FCS champ game in Nashville smashed attendance records. 

NDSU probably would have won fewer if not getting playoffs at home 90+ %.

Great rivalries with El Paso, Hawaii,  other teams etc.? They'll all love to travel to FARGO ND!!

MWC conf games and toilet bowl games,......other than Hawaii and Vegas.......be still my heart. Really exciting!

Travel costs, UFDA!

Have fun!

 

 

UNLV isn't staying long they want out of the MWC

[SIOUXFAN97]

here's my theory about the future of the mwc...it aint good.

with all of the realigment i've said to my wyoming buddy that they might the one school left in the mwc when it's all said and done....

unm and reno to pac12

unlv and air force to big12

utep back to c usa

north illinois back to the mac when they figure out tuesday football is junk

grand canyon to pac12

sjsu to c usa or american or big west for oly and fb indy

hawaii...who knows...pac12...c usa...back to big west for oly and fb indy.

that leaves wyoming................................and..................ndac!

ndac does everything in it's power to keep UND out but in the end the mwc adds

idaho, montana, msu, und, usd, sdac, and tarleton.....so pretty much summit football!!

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 minutes ago, cowboys5xsbs said:

UNLV isn't staying long they want out of the MWC

they might leave tomorrow