Fire Berry Please!

[Brim006]

6 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Would you have made this bet at the beginning of the year? 

I won't take that bet simply because of the hole we've dug, unfortunately. I love the direction right now, but we have too many injuries to too many very good players for me to bet on it. I am still confident we can get there, but health will and absolutely does matter. 

I can genuinely say yes, I would have based solely on my stubbornness. 

booooo okay fine, but understandable. How about $10 for just making the tournament? 🤠

[siouxkid12]

4 minutes ago, RedFrog said:

First, I agree that Berry's seat should be warm.  The team has put him in a position where he could be staring down the guillotine if they fail to make the NCAAs.  This team was ranked #5 in the preseason poll and has a ton of skill and talent.  I was OK with where we were sitting after being swept by Denver at home, but the results of the RMU and BSU weekends were unacceptable in my opinion.  Even with the injuries we were dealing with, those are teams our 2 deep should handle.  I won't call the Miami weekend a confidence builder (not with the first 55 minutes of that Friday night game), but this past weekend gives me more optimism and the season is far from over.

This fanbase demands and deserves more in the national tournament.  That does not mean that Berry hasn't provided a quality product.  You don't win 5 Penrose Cups without having teams that are considered contenders for the national championship.  Unfortunately, you can't compete for a national championship if you don't make the tournament.  I would agree that if this team misses the NCAAs, serious consideration needs to be given to replacing him.  We still have half the season to go though, which is more than enough time for this team to have a strong half, possibly win another Penrose, and have that shot to compete for a national championship.

Ultimately, if we win the Penrose and make the NCAAs but lose in the regionals, Berry is safe for another year but the seat stays warm.  If we don't win the Penrose and we lose the first game of the NCAAs or miss the NCAAs ... Berry needs to be celebrated for his contributions to the program and let go.

Berry won't be let go after this year, I believe is contract is up after 25/26 season. If he does well this year, he will get an extension. The only way he does not receive an extension is if we just tank this year and next year.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

Some of you didn't attend(or haven't been fans long enough) to remember games in Hak's tenure where the team was hungover from a Friday night bender at Gilly's and it shows. And Oshie, despite having to be carried out of the bar the prior night, has to put the team on his back.

For how much love Hak gets around here, we should start hanging Regional Final Champion banners. (And I'm a huge Hak fan but make it make sense) 

[iramurphy]

2 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

I mean, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.

I doubt rocket scientists even think about things like that.  Yet, you came up with the analogy. Just wondering. 🤔 

[siouxkid12]

2 minutes ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

Some of you didn't attend(or haven't been fans long enough) to remember games in Hak's tenure where the team was hungover from a Friday night bender at Gilly's and it shows. And Oshie, despite having to be carried out of the bar the prior night, has to put the team on his back.

For how much love Hak gets around here, we should start hanging Regional Final Champion banners. (And I'm a huge Hak fan but make it make sense) 

I had student season tickets on the glass in 03-04, so I am well aware, and I am pretty sure most everyone on here is as well.

[stoneySIOUX]

11 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

I mean I know goalies are hit or miss but it just seems like the past 4-5 years we have had a hard time getting that guy.

Can't argue that. I again will lean on the idea that the portal allows a bit of a crutch.

[Brim006]

8 minutes ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

Some of you didn't attend(or haven't been fans long enough) to remember games in Hak's tenure where the team was hungover from a Friday night bender at Gilly's and it shows. And Oshie, despite having to be carried out of the bar the prior night, has to put the team on his back.

For how much love Hak gets around here, we should start hanging Regional Final Champion banners. (And I'm a huge Hak fan but make it make sense) 

Berry got the team to stop drinking/partying? Impressive 

[stoneySIOUX]

9 minutes ago, Brim006 said:

I can genuinely say yes, I would have based solely on my stubbornness. 

booooo okay fine, but understandable. How about $10 for just making the tournament? 🤠

Lol I'm good, man. It's not a smart bet this season, unfortunately.

[iramurphy]

18 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

I mean I know goalies are hit or miss but it just seems like the past 4-5 years we have had a hard time getting that guy.

Spot on and I believe our biggest challenge .   When was the last time we had a goalie that can carry the team for 8-10 games straight, including steal some games when we are outplayed?
I thought Slukynsky was that guy but we missed on him somehow. There are others but it seems we’ve had guys who can do that at times, but not consistently .

[SIOUXELEVENS]

34 minutes ago, RedFrog said:

First, I agree that Berry's seat should be warm.  The team has put him in a position where he could be staring down the guillotine if they fail to make the NCAAs.  This team was ranked #5 in the preseason poll and has a ton of skill and talent.  I was OK with where we were sitting after being swept by Denver at home, but the results of the RMU and BSU weekends were unacceptable in my opinion.  Even with the injuries we were dealing with, those are teams our 2 deep should handle.  I won't call the Miami weekend a confidence builder (not with the first 55 minutes of that Friday night game), but this past weekend gives me more optimism and the season is far from over.

This fanbase demands and deserves more in the national tournament.  That does not mean that Berry hasn't provided a quality product.  You don't win 5 Penrose Cups without having teams that are considered contenders for the national championship.  Unfortunately, you can't compete for a national championship if you don't make the tournament.  I would agree that if this team misses the NCAAs, serious consideration needs to be given to replacing him.  We still have half the season to go though, which is more than enough time for this team to have a strong half, possibly win another Penrose, and have that shot to compete for a national championship.

Ultimately, if we win the Penrose and make the NCAAs but lose in the regionals, Berry is safe for another year but the seat stays warm.  If we don't win the Penrose and we lose the first game of the NCAAs or miss the NCAAs ... Berry needs to be celebrated for his contributions to the program and let go.

Very good points. 

[tnt]

18 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

Berry won't be let go after this year, I believe is contract is up after 25/26 season. If he does well this year, he will get an extension. The only way he does not receive an extension is if we just tank this year and next year.

   I also don't think Berry has it in him to make changes to his coaching staff.  I tend to agree with Blais, that ten years at a place, and then you start to get stale.   When you are locked into making a pretty nice salary for college hockey, I think whether you like to believe it or not, you get comfortable.   Heck, when I first started my current position, I wouldn't have ever been on a fan forum during work hours.  I think it is human nature to get comfortable.  

   I think we saw out of Gino his loyalty to his assistants, and I think it hurt him having basically two goaltending coaches.  Sure you can grow into different roles, but really having someone with an expertise sometimes is very helpful.  Sometimes a youthful enthusiasm combined with that expertise can pay huge dividends -- See David Carle. 

[MafiaMan]

4 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Anyone remember when people said they'd trade what Hakstol was doing for a national championship with some "down years" mixed in like what Sandelin did at Duluth?
 

 

2 hours ago, gfhockey said:

How can you be bad in post season when we hardly make it ther

Honest to goodness @gfhockey, did Will Smith hit you with the Men in Black memory erase pen flash or what? You railed on Hak for not winning the big one, now you’re anti-Berry for the down years since 2016 despite him accomplishing what you wanted. 

[siouxkid12]

5 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

 

Honest to goodness @gfhockey, did Will Smith hit you with the Men in Black memory erase pen flash or what?  You railed on Hak for not winning the big one, now you’re anti-Berry for the down years since 2016 despite him accomplishing what you wanted. 

That's what happens when you hang out at Judy's all the time.

[Big Green]

1 hour ago, stoneySIOUX said:

We won the dang games. I'm sorry, how can we judge accurately if choose feelings over facts?

I disagree that the exhibitions set the tone for the whole year. They mean nothing other than getting legs hot. 

If this does happen, I am confident we'd get back to where we'd need to be, but I also just feel like he doesn't deserve to get fired.

An overtime win does not equal a Regulation win.  In fact an OT win at home is more like a tie.  Going to OT vs RMU is bad.

 

[Big Green]

8 minutes ago, Big Green said:

An overtime win does not equal a Regulation win.  In fact an OT win at home is more like a tie.  Going to OT vs RMU is bad.

 

In Fact a true sweep (2 Regulation wins) vs RMU would have us at 18 in pairwise vs 22.

[stoneySIOUX]

25 minutes ago, Big Green said:

An overtime win does not equal a Regulation win.  In fact an OT win at home is more like a tie.  Going to OT vs RMU is bad.

 

16 minutes ago, Big Green said:

In Fact a true sweep (2 Regulation wins) vs RMU would have us at 18 in pairwise vs 22.

Fair point.

[MafiaMan]

2 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said:

We won the dang games. I'm sorry, how can we judge accurately if choose feelings over facts?

If this does happen, I am confident we'd get back to where we'd need to be, but I also just feel like he doesn't deserve to get fired.

Winning in 3x3 OT is not the equivalent of winning in 5x5 in regulation. 

[siouxkid12]

1 hour ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Can't argue that. I again will lean on the idea that the portal allows a bit of a crutch.

That's a valid point but I would push back on that and say that still doesn't solve the question of why can't we recruit a good goaltender. 

[siouxkid12]

2 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

Winning in 3x3 OT is not the equivalent of winning in 5x5 in regulation. 

in all fairness, feelings got in the way of his statement; it happens to the best of us.

[Wilbur]

4 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

Winning in 3x3 OT is not the equivalent of winning in 5x5 in regulation. 

Now go tell the Mama Gaber fan club that a non conference shootout win doesn't count for anything.....

[stoneySIOUX]

6 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

in all fairness, feelings got in the way of his statement; it happens to the best of us.

HA! Got em. 

We did win. Just not a full PWR point. Both are facts lol.

[stoneySIOUX]

6 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

That's a valid point but I would push back on that and say that still doesn't solve the question of why can't we recruit a good goaltender. 

I'm saying that we prioritizing other positions because of the portal offering goalie options. 

[siouxkid12]

21 minutes ago, Wilbur said:

Now go tell the Mama Gaber fan club that a non conference shootout win doesn't count for anything.....

hahahaha...she can go away and all her fan club minions who think they are besties with MAMA Gaber

[stoneySIOUX]

2 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

hahahaha...she can go away and all her fan club minions who think they are besties with MAMA Gaber

You guys are mean. She's a nice lady! 😁

[siouxkid12]

18 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

I'm saying that we prioritizing other positions because of the portal offering goalie options. 

Obviously, you and I don't know for a fact what the coaches are doing, and we are just speculating but I have a hard time with that. If we are prioritizing other positions over goaltending, than the coaches should be scrutinized heavily. Like you said, the portal has become a crutch and maybe it's time that crutch be kicked out from under them.