Lunatics @ hawks Saturday thread

[nodakgirl93]

  On 1/16/2023 at 4:16 PM, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

Our forwards don’t back check well. Look at the plus minus. This isn’t rocket science. Frisch and Kleven have both regressed defensively.

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A good chunk of our forwards always look lost in the d zone. 

[The Sicatoka]

A defenseman can't keep the shooter to the outside and cover a trailer on an odd-man. 

[SIOUXELEVENS]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:09 PM, nodakgirl93 said:

A good chunk of our forwards always look lost in the d zone. 

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So does #4

[The Sicatoka]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:09 PM, nodakgirl93 said:

A good chunk of our forwards always look lost in the d zone. 

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In the timespan of 2020-2022* was there a lack of player fundamentals development in lower tier hockey because of reduced coaching contact? If so, are we seeing it now and those fundamentals need to be (re-)taught like pee-wees/squirts all over. 

If you don't constantly reinforce fundamentals they are lost quickly. 

 

*Not using the word, just citing the timeframe. 

[Irish]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:11 PM, The Sicatoka said:

A defenseman can't keep the shooter to the outside and cover a trailer on an odd-man. 

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Any theories on why a team with our experience and at this point in the year can't understand basic defensive positioning, assignments, and coverage.  Game after Game.  This is the big mystery of this team. 

[The Sicatoka]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:25 PM, Irish said:

Any theories ...

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None I can prove.

I can point out what I see.
I can't prove why it's happening. 

[tnt]

  On 1/15/2023 at 7:23 PM, scpa0305 said:

When 17 “forgot” to cover that guy out front I was like oh boy. We get on squirts for that. His weak backhand to clear the zone later in the game was terrible as well. Should have just eaten it on the wall.

similar to 25, not sure what the point of leaving would be. I’d spend another year developing. 

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Not only defensive zone coverage for Gaber, but in the offensive zone I would like to know how many turnovers he has that gives the opposition odd man rushes the other way.  If you look closely, he turns the puck over quite frequently when he tries to stickhandle.  He is most effective when someone like Blake get's him the puck and he doesn't hesitate and stick handle too much.  Certainly they must have analytics for his turnover ratio.  The sad part about this whole year is that the year we finally are stellar on the power play, we are absolutely horrid five on five, both offensively and defensively.  Our record certainly would be better with an extra save here or there, but they need to figure out how to play at least even five on five. 

[tnt]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:25 PM, Irish said:

Any theories on why a team with our experience and at this point in the year can't understand basic defensive positioning, assignments, and coverage.  Game after Game.  This is the big mystery of this team. 

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The mystery to me is why they say all of the right things about how they need to focus on defense first and the offense will come from the transition,  like after the first series in Western Michigan, but how they have a short memory and are right back to playing shinny hockey the next week.  

[Irish]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:28 PM, The Sicatoka said:

None I can prove.

I can point out what I see.
I can't prove why it's happening. 

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Not trying to put you on the spot - just asking because of your hockey knowledge

[The Sicatoka]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:35 PM, Irish said:

Not trying to put you on the spot - just asking because of your hockey knowledge  observations. 

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Fixed that for you because my knowledge would fill most of a thimble.   

[SIOUXELEVENS]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:25 PM, Irish said:

Any theories on why a team with our experience and at this point in the year can't understand basic defensive positioning, assignments, and coverage.  Game after Game.  This is the big mystery of this team. 

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Doesn’t the coaching staff have some blame in this they see the plays but still trot the same players out every shift, maybe a few shifts at the end of the bench would send a message that you play the right way or you sit. On second thought maybe their playing Berrys style , we don’t know. 

[siouxweet]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:40 PM, SIOUXELEVENS said:

Doesn’t the coaching staff have some blame in this they see the plays but still trot the same players out every shift, maybe a few shifts at the end of the bench would send a message that you play the right way or you sit. 

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Coaches are in a tough place.  Because if you start sitting kids because they don't care about playing D there is this new evil thing called the transfer portal and they will pack up their toys and leave.

[The Sicatoka]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:40 PM, SIOUXELEVENS said:

... maybe a few shifts at the end of the bench would send a message that you play the right way or you sit. 

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Skate or sit. 
What a concept.

Dean Blais where have you gone. 

[SIOUXELEVENS]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:50 PM, siouxweet said:

Coaches are in a tough place.  Because if you start sitting kids because they don't care about playing D there is this new evil thing called the transfer portal and they will pack up their toys and leave.

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Wow , so the inmates run the asylum ?

[Siouxfancrazy92]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:50 PM, siouxweet said:

Coaches are in a tough place.  Because if you start sitting kids because they don't care about playing D there is this new evil thing called the transfer portal and they will pack up their toys and leave.

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You can definitely see that there are some guys that are never held accountable and some guys that are scapegoats and held accountable.  Not the way to run a good hockey team.  

[The Sicatoka]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:50 PM, siouxweet said:

Coaches are in a tough place.  Because if you start sitting kids because they don't care about playing D there is this new evil thing called the transfer portal and they will pack up their toys and leave.

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If you don't play as a member of a team, the portal's over there. 

[The Sicatoka]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:55 PM, Siouxfancrazy92 said:

You can definitely see that there are some guys that are never held accountable and some guys that are scapegoats and held accountable.  Not the way to run a good hockey team.  

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If the coaches are playing favorites, we can find new coaches. 

[The Sicatoka]

I'd like to hear about the old Hakstol post game grading (1, 2, or 3).

Frankly, I'd like to see it after the games this weekend. 

[Irish]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:50 PM, siouxweet said:

Coaches are in a tough place.  Because if you start sitting kids because they don't care about playing D there is this new evil thing called the transfer portal and they will pack up their toys and leave.

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But what about our Culture that Berry talks about and recruits for?

[Oxbow6]

One could expect 9 and 22 to not be 200 foot college players right away in their first year. 17 you should expect that. Call me crazy but watching our centers so far and going with @The Sicatoka getter setter scorer concept....21 9 17. Could then go 18 22 10. Then 8 26 20. 29 27 19/28. 21 has the speed and skill IMO to potentially play with those two plus he has a physical and a defensive presence 22 doesn't give you.

[Siouxfancrazy92]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:56 PM, The Sicatoka said:

If the coaches are playing favorites, we can find new coaches. 

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This team has a realistic possibility of losing multiple NHL draft picks to the transfer portal.  

[siouxweet]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:54 PM, The Sicatoka said:

Skate or sit. 
What a concept.

Dean Blais where have you gone. 

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I believe that happened to 9's dad when he was here.

[siouxfaninseattle]

  On 1/16/2023 at 5:54 PM, The Sicatoka said:

Skate or sit. 
What a concept.

Dean Blais where have you gone. 

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He was in Vegas for the HOF game.....

[siouxfaninseattle]

  On 1/16/2023 at 6:08 PM, Siouxfancrazy92 said:

This team has a realistic possibility of losing multiple NHL draft picks to the transfer portal.  

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Could happen. But Berry keeps saying that all the players "team first". I guess we may find out if that is the case after the season.

[tnt]

  On 1/16/2023 at 6:00 PM, Irish said:

But what about our Culture that Berry talks about and recruits for?

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I have a feeling if our culture is as strong as he leads one to believe, we wouldn't be in the predicament we are in right now.  They had the benefit of impressing on the players from St. Cloud's example last year, that returning players don't mean anything if you don't put in the effort and time to improve.  Obviously, this team thinks it can play when they want, and how they want without repercussions.   We have seen them play hard at times, along with playing the right way, but it has been very inconsistent.  The other part of culture is being accountable to the team, and with the stupid penalties by Kleven and Moore, we see that hasn't been evident.  Kleven's game misconduct basically said to the rest of the team that it was game over being behind by two late in the second period, and by his actions he may have not only cost us that game, but with his presence on Saturday that outcome might have been different as well.   If culture meant anything he would sit Friday's game this week as well, to send a message that it is "team first", and selfish actions aren't part of our culture.