NORTH DAKOTA @ Western Michigan - Saturday

[sprig]

The only thing they got wrong....if they really did let Panz out after two minutes, is not having him serve his full four minutes.

So then, why was it right to play 5 on 5 for the first two minutes, with 2 players in for 2 ea for WMU, and 1 in for 2 for UND. That doesn't add up to 5 on 5. They played it like Panz served his 4 minutes as two players, while the 2 WMU players each served their 2 minutes, 5 on 5 for two minutes, everyone out after those 2 minutes.

[smokey the cat]

None other than some road games on america one, some of which were poor quality, but streamed well. Neulion streams, I think, would be none. Had no idea all these other schools streams on neulion have always streamed poorly. The camera quality is understandable, the streaming, is not. Sioux home games I watched FTA, quality was not as good as prior to midco, but better than what was delivered on directtv fcs.

A lot of them did not even stream well. We agree on one thing. I never thought directtv fcs was a very good picture. This years web stream I think provides as good if not a better picture than fcs last year. The outdoor game in Omaha last year streamed terrible.

[The Sicatoka]

Did some of the penalties happen during play and some after the whistle? I believe that can be used to account for serving and when release.

[sprig]

4 penalties called at 8:53 of the 2nd period, as follows:

Morrison-2 for hooking

Stewart-2 for roughing

Panz-2 for high sticking

Panz-2 for roughing

The roughings could have been after the whistle coincidental, so, under that scenario, how do you play 5 on 5 for 2 minutes, then everyone gets out?

[iluvdebbies]

Panz should not have been let out after two min.

He should have served 4 min

[Siouxman]

So then, why was it right to play 5 on 5 for the first two minutes, with 2 players in for 2 ea for WMU, and 1 in for 2 for UND. That doesn't add up to 5 on 5. They played it like Panz served his 4 minutes as two players, while the 2 WMU players each served their 2 minutes, 5 on 5 for two minutes, everyone out after those 2 minutes.

They actually let Panz out after 2 minutes, which was too early. They then went to the bench and escorted him back to the penalty box for his second two minute penalty. He served the four.

[sprig]

They actually let Panz out after 2 minutes, which was too early. They then went to the bench and escorted him back to the penalty box for his second two minute penalty. He served the four.

OK, that wasn't clear on the radio, There was then a WMU PP, which I missed as well. Did UND also have a PP, when the two WMU players served their 2, while Panz served his first 2?

[Siouxman]

OK, that wasn't clear on the radio, There was then a WMU PP, which I missed as well. Did UND also have a PP, when the two WMU players served their 2, while Panz served his first 2?

No power play either way. It went 5 on 5 which doesn't make sense to me unless they considered each pair of penalties as matching. By pairs matching I mean Panz-Morrison and Panz-Stewart. In that case I can see reasoning for doing what they did.

[sprig]

No power play either way. It went 5 on 5 which doesn't make sense to me unless they considered each pair of penalties as matching. By pairs matching I mean Panz-Morrison and Panz-Stewart. In that case I can see reasoning for doing what they did.

Doesn't make sense to me either, but at a minimum if Panz sat in the box his last 2 with all WMU players out, it had to be a PP for WMU. The math on this doesn't compute no matter how you look at it. Must have been some sort of Don Adam reasoning.

[iluvdebbies]

Doesn't make sense to me either, but at a minimum if Panz sat in the box his last 2 with all WMU players out, it had to be a PP for WMU. The math on this doesn't compute no matter how you look at it. Must have been some sort of Don Adam reasoning.

Each team had two minor penalties.

4 penalties called at 8:53 of the 2nd period, as follows:

Morrison-2 for hooking

Stewart-2 for roughing

Panz-2 for high sticking

Simpson-2 for roughing

The roughings could have been after the whistle coincidental, so, under that scenario, how do you play 5 on 5 for 2 minutes, then everyone gets out?

I changed the situation just a bit ....same number of penalties. Just gave Panz's roughing penalty to SImpson. Give me your interruption.

[keikla]

Doesn't make sense to me either, but at a minimum if Panz sat in the box his last 2 with all WMU players out, it had to be a PP for WMU. The math on this doesn't compute no matter how you look at it. Must have been some sort of Don Adam reasoning.

Just because Panz is in the box doesn't mean UND didn't have 5 players on the ice. I would bet they treated the second half of his double-minor more like they do for a 10-minute misconduct. The team isn't shorthanded (since two WMU players had penalties), but Panz isn't allowed to play. So he then would have been released at the next whistle after the final two minutes were up.

That's just my synopsis on what likely happened. If they did follow my explanation above, then they definitely handled the penalties wrong.

[Emerald joker]

Hey Goon could you put up a clip of that huge save that Gothberg made and that goal that Rocco scored if you have them? Thanks

[sprig]

Each team had two minor penalties.

I changed the situation just a bit ....same number of penalties. Just gave Panz's roughing penalty to SImpson. Give me your interruption.

In that case, if the roughings were coincidental, teams play 4 on 4 until the high sticking/hooking penalties expire, those two come out on the fly, the coincidentals come out at the first whistle after 2 minutes.

[sprig]

Just because Panz is in the box doesn't mean UND didn't have 5 players on the ice. I would bet they treated the second half of his double-minor more like they do for a 10-minute misconduct. The team isn't shorthanded (since two WMU players had penalties), but Panz isn't allowed to play. So he then would have been released at the next whistle after the final two minutes were up.

That's just my synopsis on what likely happened. If they did follow my explanation above, then they definitely handled the penalties wrong.

I've never seen a two minute minor served that way, but if it was, why didn't UND have a PP during the first 2 minutes (2 in for WMU; 1 for the Sioux). To keep things 5 on 5 like they did, the two WMU minors would have to have been run back to back, rather than at the same time. I think TH said they took all the penalty time off the clock before play started again, which would indicate all coincidentals.

[iluvdebbies]

Penalties don't have to be the same infraction to be coincidental. Any minors assessed at the same stoppage can be coincidental. So the example I gave you their would be 2 sets of coincidental penalties ....no time is put up on the clock, skate five on five and everybody gets out after the first whistle after two minutes. Same with what happened in the game last night....two sets of coincidental penalties....except in that case all four minutes were give to panz so he serves them all.

[iluvdebbies]

I've never seen a two minute minor served that way, but if it was, why didn't UND have a PP during the first 2 minutes (2 in for WMU; 1 for the Sioux). To keep things 5 on 5 like they did, the two WMU minors would have to have been run back to back, rather than at the same time. I think TH said they took all the penalty time off the clock before play started again, which would indicate all coincidentals.

Has nothing to do with number of people in the box. Has everything to do with number of penalties committed. WMU committed two and UND committed two.....why should anyone get a power play out of that?

[sprig]

Has nothing to do with number of people in the box. Has everything to do with number of penalties committed. WMU committed two and UND committed two.....why should anyone get a power play out of that?

One reason, one player cannot serve 4 minutes of penalties in 2 minutes. And if Panz remained/was put back in the box for the second two, when no one is in the WMU box, how is that not a PP. I'm under the impression that coincidentals are served simultaneously, not one player on one team being in the box for the first two, the player from the second team being in the box for the second 2 minutes. If that is wrong I'm willing to be corrected, but I've never seen it.

[iluvdebbies]

One reason, one player cannot serve 4 minutes of penalties in 2 minutes. And if Panz remained/was put back in the box for the second two, when no one is in the WMU box, how is that not a PP. I'm under the impression that coincidentals are served simultaneously, not one player on one team being in the box for the first two, the player from the second team being in the box for the second 2 minutes. If that is wrong I'm willing to be corrected, but I've never seen it.

Again, the four penalties .....two on each team cancelled out. BUT each player has to still serve the time they racked up.

[keikla]

I think it should have been an initial 4 on 3 for UND followed by a 5 on 4 for WMU.

I'm hoping that the officials discuss this during the week so they know how to properly execute this type of situation in the future.

[iluvdebbies]

I think it should have been an initial 4 on 3 for UND followed by a 5 on 4 for WMU.

I'm hoping that the officials discuss this during the week so they know how to properly execute this type of situation in the future.

That even makes less sense.

[sprig]

Again, the four penalties .....two on each team cancelled out. BUT each player has to still serve the time they racked up.

Of course there were equal penalty minutes. But can the same coincidental be served at different times (wmu player for the first 2, panz for the second 2), as they are in your argument. If you know they can, tell me I'm wrong, but the 4=4 argument doesn't make sense unless the first part is true. Keikla's 4 on 3 followed by 5 on 4 makes sense to me, with no coincidentals called.

[iluvdebbies]

This time you are wrong

[cberkas]

It should have been a 4 on 3 power play for UND for 2 minutes follow by a 5 on 4 power play for WMU for two minutes.

[Goon]

Hey Goon could you put up a clip of that huge save that Gothberg made and that goal that Rocco scored if you have them? Thanks

I can not, because I don't have the video. It wouldn't be very good if I could. I have all of Friday's goals though. Sorry.

[yzerman19]

It should have been a 4 on 3 power play for UND for 2 minutes follow by a 5 on 4 power play for WMU for two minutes.

This seems right to me. I originally thought that there were coincidentals. Knowing that they weren't, it should have been a 4-3 UND pp for 2 and then a 5-4 WMU pp for 2 with Panz in the box for 4.