Florida State preparing?

[82SiouxGuy]

However, the State Law applies to only one school UND.

But the South Carolina state law doesn't have anything to do with any schools or even with athletics, yet the NCAA stepped in. Big picture, the state of North Dakota is defying the NCAA so they may at some point do something that will affect the entire state.

[FSSD]

But the South Carolina state law doesn't have anything to do with any schools or even with athletics, yet the NCAA stepped in. Big picture, the state of North Dakota is defying the NCAA so they may at some point do something that will affect the entire state.

Don't see it..

[JohnboyND7]

Further evidence of why the NCAA must be destroyed!!!

You could make an argument to make some changes to the NCAA, but destroy it? No thanks. No matter what big organization you get running the show, I think all of them are going to make efforts to be politically correct.

[petey23]

You could make an argument to make some changes to the NCAA, but destroy it? No thanks. No matter what big organization you get running the show, I think all of them are going to make efforts to be politically correct.

Correct. Political Correctness is what needs to be destroyed.

[JohnboyND7]

Correct. Political Correctness is what needs to be destroyed.

100% agree to an extent, obviously you can't go around being called the Nazi's or anything...

[82SiouxGuy]

Don't see it..

I've already said that I don't think it's going to happen. But that's the way they think. Like I said earlier, they have UND right where they want, so I don't see them expanding things at this time.

[Herd]

But the South Carolina state law doesn't have anything to do with any schools or even with athletics, yet the NCAA stepped in. Big picture, the state of North Dakota is defying the NCAA so they may at some point do something that will affect the entire state.

So if Notre Dame was on NCAA Sancations due to a state law related to its moniker, Purdue and Indiana would be also? Right, pretty clueless logic.

[82SiouxGuy]

So if Notre Dame was on NCAA Sancations due to a state law related to its moniker, Purdue and Indiana would be also? Right, pretty clueless logic.

I didn't say that they would be, did I. Try reading what I wrote. I said that the NCAA has the ability to do it. Of course the difference in your example is that Notre Dame is a private school and not controlled by the state in any way so the state couldn't control the Notre Dame moniker. UND, NDSU and every other school in North Dakota other than Jamestown College is controlled by the state. If the NCAA decides that they want to put sanctions on the state of North Dakota because of a law that they believe is objectionable, they can. As I have said in many other posts, I don't think that the NCAA will do that, but they absolutely have the ability to do it. Go troll back on Bville if you can't comprehend what is written here.

[southpaw]

So if Notre Dame was on NCAA Sancations due to a state law related to its moniker, Purdue and Indiana would be also? Right, pretty clueless logic.

A much better example would be to compare similar situations. Since it is the state of North Dakota that is now making decisions that the NCAA disagrees with, let's find another state that has made decisions the NCAA disagrees with and has punished all schools in that state.

Since I know Sic loves crushing softballs out of the park, I'll let him remind us all of South Carolina.

[82SiouxGuy]

A much better example would be to compare similar situations. Since it is the state of North Dakota that is now making decisions that the NCAA disagrees with, let's find another state that has made decisions the NCAA disagrees with and has punished all schools in that state.

Since I know Sic loves crushing softballs out of the park, I'll let him remind us all of South Carolina.

Which was my original post.

[UNDBIZ]

I didn't say that they would be, did I. Try reading what I wrote. I said that the NCAA has the ability to do it. Of course the difference in your example is that Notre Dame is a private school and not controlled by the state in any way so the state couldn't control the Notre Dame moniker. UND, NDSU and every other school in North Dakota other than Jamestown College is controlled by the state. If the NCAA decides that they want to put sanctions on the state of North Dakota because of a law that they believe is objectionable, they can. As I have said in many other posts, I don't think that the NCAA will do that, but they absolutely have the ability to do it. Go troll back on Bville if you can't comprehend what is written here.

I hate to do this, but..... UMary.

Note: I can understand if you were trying to say UMary isn't a real school.

[82SiouxGuy]

I hate to do this, but..... UMary.

Note: I can understand if you were trying to say UMary isn't a real school.

I knew I was missing one, but couldn't think of it. So all except Jamestown College and U Mary are controlled by the state of North Dakota. The rest of the point is still true.

[The Sicatoka]

Since I know Sic loves crushing softballs out of the park, I'll let him remind us all of South Carolina.

MS and SC have state laws passed by the state legislatures that involve required use of the Confederate flag. In response the NCAA will not schedule events in either state. To summarize: State law got state wide sanctions from the NCAA. Pretty simple. Actually ...

Too. Easy.

Even Josh Hamilton would stand back and be impressed by the overt demonstration of raw "crush".

[Melvin]

Further evidence of why the NCAA must be destroyed!!!

Yeah good luck with that Dave. Call us when you're do that.

[Benny Baker]

Some have said, "Why doesn't Florida State have to change?"

I've said, "Wait for it. After they knock over UND, they'll come for FSU soon enough."

Most scoffed at me.

Well, I'm just going to smirk for now. It's not quite time to roll out my four favorite words, but it seems my time to use them may have just gotten another clock tick closer.

http://www.tallahass...&nclick_check=1

Go Cimarron!

This article has nothing to do with the NCAA coming after FSU. The whole premise is that the Seminole tribe may one day withdraw their support of the FSU nickname, which is arguably based upon decreasing casino revenues. Speculate much? Again, it has nothing to do with the NCAA putting any pressure on FSU, whatsoever. I suggest you move that clock a tick backwards, there's no need for you to diminish your credibility with such misrepresentations.

At any rate, I'm sure the NCAA will be really impressed with "Cimarron" considering it is the Spanish name for both the Seminole tribe and the root word for runaway slaves.

[The Sicatoka]

This article has nothing to do with the NCAA coming after FSU. The whole premise is that the Seminole tribe may one day withdraw their support of the FSU nickname, ...

If/When that day happens, what happens next? The NCAA puts FSU on the "hostile and abusive" list, i.e., the NCAA comes for FSU.

No matter the causality, FSU is setting themselves up with a future option. And why would they do that if they weren't concerned at some level. (If they just wanted a horsey mascot for their kids club why wouldn't they use Osceola's horse Renegade? Why instead bring in "Cimarron"? The answer to that question is the answer. )

At any rate, I'm sure the NCAA will be really impressed with "Cimarron" considering it is the Spanish name for both the Seminole tribe and the root word for runaway slaves.

I suggest you find a new dictionary.

http://dictionary.re...browse/cimarron

[Benny Baker]

I suggest you read the article you linked for everyone.

"But in Spanish, it's the word for "wild and untamed." It's the name early Spanish settlers in Florida applied to the tribes of runaway Creek Indians — tribes the British began calling "Seminoles."

Cimarron is also the root of the word "maroon," which the Spanish used to describe colonies of runaway slaves."

Why doesn't FSU use Renegade as you ask? Did you read the article? Because they're not going to bring a horse into a basketball or volleyball arena. That's one reason the school needed another mascot. The second reason---because the athletic department is in substantial debt.

This sort of rampant speculation, particularly when you ignore the actual article that you have cited, is worse than those who claim that Hakstol was given the ultimatum between keeping his job or denouncing the nickname.

Pot kettle black.

[The Sicatoka]

I suggest you read the article you linked for everyone.

"But in Spanish, it's the word for "wild and untamed." It's the name early Spanish settlers in Florida applied to the tribes of runaway Creek Indians — tribes the British began calling "Seminoles."

Cimarron is also the root of the word "maroon," which the Spanish used to describe colonies of runaway slaves."

Why doesn't FSU use Renegade as you ask? Did you read the article? Because they're not going to bring a horse into a basketball or volleyball arena. That's one reason the school needed another mascot. The second reason---because the athletic department is in substantial debt.

This sort of rampant speculation, particularly when you ignore the actual article that you have cited, is worse than those who claim that Hakstol was given the ultimatum between keeping his job or denouncing the nickname.

Pot kettle black.

You quote the story. I'll quote the dictionary.

If they are using a cartoon horse image for the kids club, why not call it "Renegade"?

Why bring in a new name/word for the horse (when they already have a horse with a name that they could make a "soft" image of)?

Like the author of the article said, say "Seminole, Cimarron, Seminole, Cimmaron" a few times.

This is preparation.

[Benny Baker]

You quote the story. I'll quote the dictionary.

If they are using a cartoon horse image for the kids club, why not call it "Renegade"?

Why bring in a new name/word for the horse (when they already have a horse with a name that they could make a "soft" image of)?

Like the author of the article said, say "Seminole, Cimarron, Seminole, Cimmaron" a few times.

This is preparation.

Yup, like I originally said, preparation for what reason? It's preparation for if the Seminole tribe withdraws support. To the contrary, this thread announced your belief that the NCAA would now be coming after FSU. But again, like the article you linked says---preparation if the Seminole tribe withdraws support.

But that's fine if you want to continue your position. I just expect that I will no longer see you bash other people on this forum for speculating.

[The Sicatoka]

At risk of repeating myself ...

"If/When that day (Seminoles revoke support) happens, what happens next? The NCAA puts FSU on the "hostile and abusive" list, i.e., the NCAA comes for FSU."

To believe the NCAA doesn't feel emboldened after their recent victories is foolhearty.

The NCAA has an end game in mind. It's spelled out in the settlement agreement with UND.

[82SiouxGuy]

There is a pretty good chance that you are both right. Florida State knows that there will come a time when their use of the Seminole name again will be challenged. It might come because the tribe doesn't feel like it needs them any more. It may come because the NCAA takes the next step, it is obvious that the current policy isn't the end game for the NCAA. So it might just be a matter of which happens first, or maybe the NCAA will work with the tribe, or maybe the NCAA will wait for the tribe to make a move and the NCAA will expand the policy at that time. Either way, the policy isn't going away and will probably be expanded at some point. So FSU is being proactive. They see a problem ahead and they have come up with a potential solution. At the same time they can make some extra money by selling Cimarron stuff to kids and maybe even pull in some new fans with the cute new mascot.

[ScottM]

At some point the NC$$'s own policy will come under wider attack for the exceptions it created, and the hypocrisy it maintains. I've perused a number of law review articles that effectively advocate removing the consent provision since it's unfair to the tribes, since they have been effectively been brow beaten into giving consent by the federal government's treatment of NAs over the years. Yeah, stupid and twisted "logic", but that kind of argument can carry the day in Indy.

[MissSioux85]

I didn't want to start a new thread so I thought I would post here...

Native American mascots banned in Oregon high schools

Eight Oregon high schools will have to retire their Native American mascots after the Board of Education voted Thursday to prohibit them, giving the state some of the nation's toughest restrictions on Native American mascots, nicknames and logos.

The 5-1 vote followed months of passionate and emotional debate about tolerance and tradition.

The schools have five years to comply with the order or risk losing their state funding. Another seven high schools identified as the Warriors will be allowed to keep their nickname but will have to change mascots or graphics that depict Native Americans. An unknown number of elementary and middle schools also will be affected.

http://www.grandfork...icle/id/236719/