BillVol Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=7&f=1372&t=8765105&p=1 There is a thread over on one of our boards about the Sioux name. For those of us not as familiar with the situation, could someone offer a synopsis? My main question is: Why do Illinois, Utah, and Florida State get to keep their name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 http://mbd.scout.com...2&t=8765105&p=1 There is a thread over on one of our boards about the Sioux name. For those of us not as familiar with the situation, could someone offer a synopsis? My main question is: Why do Illinois, Utah, and Florida State get to keep their name? Cliff's Notes....The NCAA is a corrupt, unethical organization run by hypocrites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBH2010 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Cliff's Notes....The NCAA is a corrupt, unethical organization run by hypocrites. and they really only care about money. As evidenced by the big name schools keeping their name and the small schools losing theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 http://mbd.scout.com...2&t=8765105&p=1 There is a thread over on one of our boards about the Sioux name. For those of us not as familiar with the situation, could someone offer a synopsis? My main question is: Why do Illinois, Utah, and Florida State get to keep their name? Utah and Florida State had good working relationships with local tribes. Those local tribes automatically told the NCAA that they approved of using the nicknames as soon as the policy was announced. The NCAA used that reasoning to create an out for all schools that got approval from local tribes. Illinois is different. The name Fighting Illini was originally used to recognize war veterans from Illinois. Shortly after that they followed the trend during that period to start using Native American imagery, and there had been a tribe that used the Illini name. That tribe no longer exists so Illinois couldn't get approval. That is why Illinois can no longer use the mascot and imagery. But the NCAA said they could keep the nickname because the original meaning was to honor war veterans. UND could not get any Sioux tribes to give official approval during the original appeal period. UND sued to change the policy. UND and the NCAA settled the lawsuit, and the terms included giving UND an extra 3 years to get approval, but they had to get approval from 2 specific tribes (the 2 largest namesake tribes in the state). UND got approval from 1 tribe during the settlement period, the other tribe has continuted to oppose use of the name. Therefore UND is now on sanctions by the NCAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 FSU, Utah, and Central Michigan got "one tribe" approval in the designated time period from the NCAA. The Spirit Lake Sioux of ND were late to the party. SL approves now but the NCAA won't accept "one tribe" in ND and now demands "two tribe" approval. Illinois' "Illini" name was deemed by the NCAA to not come from the name of the Illini Tribal Confederacy but from a nickname of a WWI (or WWII?) unit from Illinois (even though they used to use "Chief Illiniwek" as a logo). Makes total sense now, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 and they really only care about money. As evidenced by the big name schools keeping their name and the small schools losing theirs. There are several small schools that have been allowed to continue using their nickname because they got approval from local tribes. I believe that there are 3 or 4 Division III schools that got approval. Off the top of my head I remember that one of them uses the Choctaw name. I believe another was using a generic Indians name and had to add the local tribe name. UND didn't get approval during the appeal period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Our SBOHE & AG screwed up & then a new Admin. came in & screwed things up even more - never a real united effort by key players until it was late in the terrible settlement & now the only Tribe that is near us wants to keep the name & is finally fighting for the Pride of that name Now the sky is falling crowd (that only cares about their 2nd attempt to get in a D1 conference) is spreading Fear & untruths to say it will hurt the University Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Here's some of what others are calling "fear and untruths", signed, sealed, and delivered by the NCAA to UND. http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/2012/02/letter-from-ncaa-to-und.html The sanctions are real and intended to hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDColorado Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Hey Vol fan this fetch guy is delusional so I would research anything he preaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 As long as we don't use the name for the very rare ncaa events nothing will happen if ncaa turns up the heat & increases sanctions other than the agreement - then I would think it would be grounds for further litigation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 As long as we don't use the name for the very rare ncaa events nothing will happen if ncaa turns up the heat & increases sanctions other than the agreement - then I would think it would be grounds for further litigation "Rare"? The men's hockey team is almost always in the NC$$ tourney. The women's hockey team in it this year. And that says nothing about the BB teams, football, etc. And the NC$$ doesn't need to "increase sanctions" beyond what's in the settlement, since they're doing enough damgage. Keep striving for mediocrity, Fetch. It seems to suit you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 If you want truthful, accurate info on this issue, just keep reading this forum. A lot of us have followed the issue for years. If you want delusional, unsubstantiated propaganda about how keeping the name and logo won't do UND harm at all, go to www.sayanythingblog.com. Hope I helped you out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 If you want truthful, accurate info on this issue, contact Myles Brand. Fixed your post for you. Oops...I guess that's not an option either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 & all we have to do is not wear the Sioux Jersey's at ncaa events If not for the referral vote UND Admin. would have completely removed the Logo & any hope to keeping the name by now They want us to all give up & just let it go away What other harm can happen as long as we follow the settlement ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Hey Vol fan this fetch guy is delusional so I would research anything he preaches. Please refrain from personal attacks. From the Forum Rules: "No personal attacks, defamation, or libel" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Well, our former FB coach (won a DII title here, currently at Southern Illinois) Dale Lennon tells us that we're losing recruits because of the moniker issue because he's been told as much by recruits. Football players know that home NCAA playoff games are a big deal and under sanctions UND can not host (i.e. have a home) playoff game. That's more than "not wearing a jersey". That's losing home contests and losing recruits. And now toss in for good measure that the Big Sky Conference would reconsider our membership if we can't host home NCAA playoff games. That's the answer to "what other harm?" Actually, "BillVol", to put this into your neck of woods familiarity, the Big Sky could also consider doing what the SEC (Tennessee's conference) does to Mississippi and Mississippi State and South Carolina in not allowing home conference tournament games in the states of Mississippi and South Carolina, basically extending NCAA sanctions through and into conference operations. Nothing stops that from happening. (Note: in Miss. and SoCar cases it relates to Confederate flag usage in those states and the NCAA's disapproval of it.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Might lose recruits ? - Yeah that one sends shivers down my spine then maybe you need better Coaches & Admin. Our facilities are second to none & our coaches have been the difference in getting recruits so just run away from 80 yrs of a program that worked very well because of a misguided / false & Racist group of folks who think they know cultural diversity better than we do - seems to me the ncaa is trying to cause more harm than good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 & if we wear the jerseys at ncaa events then they (ncaa) will up the sanctions - But were not going to do that we agreed in the settlement so were good to go if the truth were told then recruits would see thru the BS - if they want to play for coaches like that so be it - there are lots of fish in the sea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 & if we wear the jerseys at ncaa events then they (ncaa) will up the sanctions - But were not going to do that we agreed in the settlement so were good to go if the truth were told then recruits would see thru the BS - if they want to play for coaches like that so be it - there are lots of fish in the sea That's if the ATHLETES, BAND, ADMINISTRATORS, COACHES, CHEERLEADERS wear the logo. Fans can wear whatever they want and yell the Sioux name if they want. You have a real reading comprehension problem, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 You have a real reading comprehension problem, don't you? That's being "diplomatic" ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 You think those groups intend to cause UND harm then Ban them from participating - you guys are UNREAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Would the travel party intend to hurt UND? No, but mistakes happen. But, I'm quite sure the NCAA intends to make an example of UND at first opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkEisenbeis Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Kinda funny, from the Scout.com thread: "The North Dakota Fighting Frackers has a nice ring to it! I'm half joking. Some school will do this in the next 5 years." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Before Oriska, ND, Schools merged into the Maple Valley School District, they had a nickname that stood out. They were the FLICKERS. You had to look twice at that, didn't you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 & if we wear the jerseys at ncaa events then they (ncaa) will up the sanctions - But were not going to do that we agreed in the settlement so were good to go if the truth were told then recruits would see thru the BS - if they want to play for coaches like that so be it - there are lots of fish in the sea It's very interesting how little you appear to know about how high school kids think, and about how college sports work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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