Conference Realignments - Take 2

[bison73]

On 4/4/2019 at 5:55 PM, SiouxVolley said:

According to all the trolls and other disbelievers that the Montana and Idaho aren’t sliding over, there are two schools looking to move up near the Indiana portion of the Ohio River:  Southern Indiana and Bellarmine.  All those trolls and disbelievers should be on their hands begging and pleading for them to join the Summi to keep PUFW happy as they both have baseball.

http://www.seedyksports.com/2019/04/01/and-then-there-were-but-four/  near the bottom of the column

https://www.courierpress.com/story/sports/college/southern-indiana/2019/04/03/hickey-if-usi-wants-regularly-fill-its-new-arena-should-choose-division-one/3351914002/

USI denies it, but a school doesn’t put tens of millions into an arena if it’s goal isn’t DI (see NKU, Belmont, Lipscomb)

Was Montana or Idaho mentioned in those two links?

[SiouxVolley]

12 hours ago, Siouxphan27 said:

If memory serves, many times when people on here have used direct quotes from school presidents or ADs to dispute a comment you’ve made, you often blow it off by saying those administrators are lying to the public because they can’t let everyone knows what their big plans for the future are; only they, and geniuses like yourself, can be aware of these plans this far in advance. 

So I’m a little surprised you are calling these presidents out for lying in this instance. 

Presidents of U’s and corporations can’t legally disclose some information, without running into major legal issues or giving major notice to competitors.

This is one instance that that wouldn’t be a problem.

Sid Hartman once mentioned years ago that UST should change their name to the U if St Paul and move up to DI and become like Marquette.  The UST leadership has long known of there special standing in Minnesota to became the 2nd DI team in a DI starved state.  Minnesota is unique because of it as it has the least DI precedence of any state other than Alaska.

[SiouxVolley]

12 hours ago, MafiaMan said:

Shirley, 

You probably don’t know that UST has three times of endowment of Providence and more than twice the enrollment and it’s located in a hockey mad city and state.  But guess Providence is a basket case so we should defer to your vast knowledge base.

The CBS Sports Network would vastly prefer Arizon St and St Thomas just based on the metros there are in over Mankato.  Presidents follow the money and prestige.  

[MafiaMan]

5 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Shirley, 

You probably don’t know that UST has three times of endowment of Providence and more than twice the enrollment and it’s located in a hockey mad city and state.  But guess Providence is a basket case so we should defer to your vast knowledge base.

The CBS Sports Network would vastly prefer Arizona St and St Thomas just based on the metros there are in over Mankato.  Presidents follow the money and prestige.  

Except that you can’t just jump from DIII to D1...

[SiouxVolley]

6 hours ago, bison73 said:

Was Montana or Idaho mentioned in those two links?

Your uneducatable as this comment again proves.

The Summit is a major membership crisis, unless they know new members from out west are coming in, which you can’t get that bizen pea brain to understand.

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, MafiaMan said:

Except that you can’t just jump from DIII to D1...

In hockey you can as DII doesn’t exist.  Going DII allows scholarship for all athletic varsity programs.  There might be DII transition rules that limit the move of M/W Hockey to DI for postseason, but hockey would exist even for a little as an independent.

 Wrong again Shirley.

[SWSiouxMN]

I'm more interested in who leaked this out to Reusse….

The MIAC can't be this dumb. 

[SWSiouxMN]

Now in fairness, I’d take St. Thomas in the Summit in a heartbeat, especially over Augie.

[SiouxVolley]

St Thomas would be a short timer in the Summit if it ever happens.  UST would soon get an invite from the MVC almost regardless of how they perform.  The MVC would take them just because of the MSP market as they did for Loyola because of the Chi market.  The Big East would be their maximum, and could be obtained through success.  The Twin Cities market ensures that.  If Creighton can reach the Big East, almost assuredly UST can.

The MIAC is already a much more prestigious league than the Summit in academics and snobbery..  Their goal and vision has to be more than the Summit.

The Horizon would want them too, so UST may choose them over the Summit.  But in either league they would be a short timer for only the transition plus a few short years as the MVC has so much better payouts and respect.

Would be interesting how them accommodate the mbb, hockey and other programs.  Building or enpanding arenas and playing in the nearby Alliance Soccer field for a likely new sport like lacrosse.

UST is the rich kid that has almost all doors open to them because of where they sit.

If the Summit wanted a MSP school long term, they should offer Concordia-St Paul, which is a relatively poor endowment school (only $40 mill) and not nearly as respected academically (not saying its bad) but lower than  Vaipo.  CSP would need a sugar daddy to come forward.

[bison73]

2 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Your uneducatable as this comment again proves.

The Summit is a major membership crisis, unless they know new members from out west are coming in, which you can’t get that bizen pea brain to understand.

Considering youve never been right here yet your comment means bumpkis.

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, bison73 said:

Considering youve never been right here yet your comment means bumpkis.

Considering that the concept of the Summit being in an existential crisis if PFW, WIU, ORU or Denver ever left hasn’t sunk into your skull yet after years of your posting, your comments are beyond meaningless, even for a bizzen.  The Dakotas are not critical schools because they mostly don’t have the critical sports, which isn’t football at this time.

Now if you acknowledged that NDSU may be forced to add men’s soccer and three other women’s sports for Title IX to save the Summit, you’d have shown evidence of actually getting the issue, but, you haven’t shown the least bit of proclivity.

[bison73]

53 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Considering that the concept of the Summit being in an existential crisis if PFW, WIU, ORU or Denver ever left hasn’t sunk into your skull yet after years of your posting, your comments are beyond meaningless, even for a bizzen.  The Dakotas are not critical schools because they mostly don’t have the critical sports, which isn’t football at this time.

Now if you acknowledged that NDSU may be forced to add men’s soccer and three other women’s sports for Title IX to save the Summit, you’d have shown evidence of actually getting the issue, but, you haven’t shown the least bit of proclivity.

This is nothing more than what ifs, maybes and over winded mental gymnastics over a problem that doesnt exist.  But please---do carry on.

[The Sicatoka]

6 hours ago, bison73 said:

This is nothing more than what ifs, maybes and over winded mental gymnastics over a problem that doesnt exist.  But please---do carry on.

Yes, these are "ifs", but lack of contingency plan is failure. 

Please describe your succession plan should one of FOUR, no EIGHT, events happen. (I say eight because it's two programs at each of four schools.) 

My plan, as described in the link, is bold. 

 

[Herd]

18 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

St Thomas would be a short timer in the Summit if it ever happens.  UST would soon get an invite from the MVC almost regardless of how they perform.  The MVC would take them just because of the MSP market as they did for Loyola because of the Chi market.  The Big East would be their maximum, and could be obtained through success.  The Twin Cities market ensures that.  If Creighton can reach the Big East, almost assuredly UST can.

The MIAC is already a much more prestigious league than the Summit in academics and snobbery..  Their goal and vision has to be more than the Summit.

The Horizon would want them too, so UST may choose them over the Summit.  But in either league they would be a short timer for only the transition plus a few short years as the MVC has so much better payouts and respect.

Would be interesting how them accommodate the mbb, hockey and other programs.  Building or enpanding arenas and playing in the nearby Alliance Soccer field for a likely new sport like lacrosse.

UST is the rich kid that has almost all doors open to them because of where they sit.

If the Summit wanted a MSP school long term, they should offer Concordia-St Paul, which is a relatively poor endowment school (only $40 mill) and not nearly as respected academically (not saying its bad) but lower than  Vaipo.  CSP would need a sugar daddy to come forward.

CSP is already out-kicking their coverage as a DII member.  No way they could fund a DI Summit move.

[SiouxVolley]

2 hours ago, Herd said:

CSP is already out-kicking their coverage as a DII member.  No way they could fund a DI Summit move.

That was my point.  Presbyterian can’t keep FCS scholarship fb with a $100 million endowment.  High Point doesn’t even attempt non-scholarship DI fb with a $50 million endowment.

CSP could possibly make it at DI if it dropped fb, but the Summit would be digging deep worse than the Big South

[SiouxVolley]

11 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Yes, these are "ifs", but lack of contingency plan is failure. 

Please describe your succession plan should one of FOUR, no EIGHT, events happen. (I say eight because it's two programs at each of four schools.) 

My plan, as described in the link, is bold. 

 

The troll posters like to revel in their fantasies that eastern Midwest schools are always happy in an NDSU League because NDSU is so attractive an opponent and conference rival.

History shows them dead wrong as nearly all the Horizon members are Summit alumni, but facts don’t matter.  The Summit league has been a day care for the Horizon League, nurturing baby programs to adulthood and then nabbing them.

[SiouxVolley]

Some St Thomas opines in the Star/Sickle:

http://www.startribune.com/yes-have-st-thomas-leave-the-minnesota-intercollegiate-athletic-conference/508345132/

http://www.startribune.com/don-t-boot-st-thomas-from-the-minnesota-intercollegiate-athletic-conference/508345162/

Its no coincidence that St Thomas could step seamlessly into the NSIC when Augie abandons it.

St Thomas admin adeptly used the anti Tommie sentiment at some schools to make them have no apparent choice, when they do.

[bison73]

14 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Yes, these are "ifs", but lack of contingency plan is failure. 

Please describe your succession plan should one of FOUR, no EIGHT, events happen. (I say eight because it's two programs at each of four schools.) 

My plan, as described in the link, is bold. 

 

I dont have a plan( if it would do any good) as Im really not that concerned about it.

[The Sicatoka]

10 hours ago, bison73 said:

I dont have a plan( if it would do any good) as Im really not that concerned about it.

Then thank goodness you're not the league commissioner ... or maybe you are.  

[Yote 53]

13 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

That was my point.  Presbyterian can’t keep FCS scholarship fb with a $100 million endowment.  High Point doesn’t even attempt non-scholarship DI fb with a $50 million endowment.

CSP could possibly make it at DI if it dropped fb, but the Summit would be digging deep worse than the Big South

Yet people think Augustana to the Summit is a sure thing, or even a good thing.  The same arguments against these schools can be used against Augustana.

[SiouxVolley]

10 hours ago, Yote 53 said:

Yet people think Augustana to the Summit is a sure thing, or even a good thing.  The same arguments against these schools can be used against Augustana.

Augustana has a similar endowment to A-10 schools like Davidson, St Bonaventure and LaSalle.  Didn’t think those eastern private schools had so little endowments.  Richmond and St Louis hav enourmous ones.

But Augustana has a sugar daddy who has promised them more, which CSP doesn’t have  Never in a favor of Augustana, but some Presidents assuredly are, including USD, so the six Dakota/Nebraska schools can be hit in three plane rides.

[Herd]

23 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

That was my point.  Presbyterian can’t keep FCS scholarship fb with a $100 million endowment.  High Point doesn’t even attempt non-scholarship DI fb with a $50 million endowment.

CSP could possibly make it at DI if it dropped fb, but the Summit would be digging deep worse than the Big South

CSP, not remotely interested regardless of the sports they keep/drop.   UST, yes interested.

[SiouxVolley]

12 minutes ago, Herd said:

CSP, not remotely interested regardless of the sports they keep/drop.   UST, yes interested.

Translation:

CSP can’t afford DI.  UST can.

CSP has added sports like lax recently, so they obviously want to expand their athletic program, but Lax also increases their enrollment because lax is a partial scholarship sport.

[SiouxVolley]

Tommiemedia .com is giving play by play of the MIAC action.

https://www.tommiemedia.com/news/miac-schools-want-to-expel-st-thomas/

https://www.tommiemedia.com/news/miac-presidents-vote-to-amend-bylaws-april-18/comment-page-1/

Haven’t seen other sources that say the St Thomas admin is behind the move to expel, as St Thomas would have to move to DII and then DI later and expelling would get much more financial support from alumni than merely moving up, which would be divisive as many alumni would be opposed.

Fake or merely UST supported news spun for St Thomas’ benefit.

[SiouxVolley]

The scuttlebut an campus was that St Thomas was going to move up divisions nearly a month ago.

https://www.tommiemedia.com/featured-news/opinion-st-thomas-athletics-should-remain-at-division-iii-level-to-continue-success/

The allure of Allianz Field May just be too much.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/soccer/4598940-scarves-allianz-fields-grand-opening-packed-stands-super-fans-and-few-loons

But UST would probably need to expand or build new for their basketball gym and more than double their hockey arena in Mendota Heights.