Conference Realignments - Take 2

[SIOUXFAN97]

fenton is giving ndac enough rope to hang themselves...let em sign the deal with the wac2.0 THEN ask the presidents of the summit to vote on kicking em out....

fenton is an absolute genius.

[gfhockey]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

fenton is giving ndac enough rope to hang themselves...let em sign the deal with the wac2.0 THEN ask the presidents of the summit to vote on kicking em out....

fenton is an absolute genius.

Have you seen or heard from him

[homer]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

fenton is giving ndac enough rope to hang themselves...let em sign the deal with the wac2.0 THEN ask the presidents of the summit to vote on kicking em out....

fenton is an absolute genius.

One could only wish

[SIOUXFAN97]

38 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Have you seen or heard from him

in patty's office....pitching my idea ...see below

[SIOUXFAN97]

imo going forward 1a and 1aa are donesey....they figure out scholly's numbers max min and whatnot and if your d1a or 1aa right now...it's all d1 and cfp will just do the top 16 or 24 ranked football teams regardless is your mwc pac12 ivy or meac....so....maybe fenton could

und, st thomas, usd, sdac, and omaha join the mvc.....makes 16

 

und/st thomas

usd/sdac

omaha/drake

bradley/northern iowa

 

uic/valpo

siu/illinois state

murray state/belmont

evansville/indiana state

 

merge the mvfc with the mvc=8 football schools (eyes on drake and st thomas moving fb from pioneer to mvc =10)

und, usd, sdac, niu, siu, isu-red, isu-blue, and murray state

 

mvc brings in und, st thomas and omaha as hockey members and adds affiliates of

denver, air force, arizona state, western michigan, miami, and bowling green with an opening for a current mvc school or 2 to add hockey....NIU? UIC? Belmont?

conference tourney for hockey and basketball in st louis

 

mvc gets 4 men's swimming and diving schools (they have 4 affiliates) (omaha, st thomas, usd, sdac)...

mvc gets 2 more men's soccer team (they have 3 affiliates)...(omaha and st thomas)

mvc gets 4 more women's swimming (they have 2 affiliates )...(omaha, st thomas, usd, sdac)

 

make it happen fenton

your welcome

[AJS]

Forming a new Division for Conference USA seems like the move. For FB you play your division (8 games) and have a title game with the winner of each division. Even for Olympic sports, is travel that much more of a concern? Home and Home in your division, then one game against the other division. This is a win for everyone.  

Division

Idaho

Idaho State or Weber State

Montana

Montana State

UND

USD

SDSU

St. Thomas 

Missouri State

Division

Delaware

FIU

Jacksonville State

Kennesaw State

Liberty

Middle Tennessee State

NM State

Sam Houston

Western Kentucky

 

[fightingsioux4life]

3 minutes ago, AJS said:

Forming a new Division for Conference USA seems like the move. For FB you play your division (8 games) and have a title game with the winner of each division. Even for Olympic sports, is travel that much more of a concern? Home and Home in your division, then one game against the other division. This is a win for everyone.  

Division

Idaho

Idaho State

Montana

Montana State

UND

USD

SDSU

St. Thomas 

Missouri State

Division

Delaware

FIU

Jacksonville State

Kennesaw State

Liberty

Middle Tennessee State

NM State

Sam Houston

Western Kentucky

That actually makes a good amount of sense.

[SIOUXFAN97]

weber insteadof pocatello u...looks good

[SIOUXFAN97]

16 minutes ago, AJS said:

Forming a new Division for Conference USA seems like the move. For FB you play your division (8 games) and have a title game with the winner of each division. Even for Olympic sports, is travel that much more of a concern? Home and Home in your division, then one game against the other division. This is a win for everyone.  

Division

Idaho

Idaho State

Montana

Montana State

UND

USD

SDSU

St. Thomas 

Missouri State

Division

Delaware

FIU

Jacksonville State

Kennesaw State

Liberty

Middle Tennessee State

NM State

Sam Houston

Western Kentucky

 

biggest obstacle is money.......

[AJS]

33 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

biggest obstacle is money.......

Outside of the basic increases you'd incur with an FBS move, what else? Travel would be not too much different than it would be now (you'd lose bus trips to Fargo and Omaha) for non-Football but would stay at 3 for FB (remove Fargo, add UST). You'd see an increase in attendance no doubt. 

IMO, the key to this is the state of Conf USA currently. They are currently dead last in the G6. This would help the current members immensely. I would think you could do this for little to no additional fee. TV contract. Isn't Conf USAs so minimal right now, you either see if the networks will double that small # or just have all the new teams keep what they have currently until their current deal is up. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

4 minutes ago, AJS said:

Outside of the basic increases you'd incur with an FBS move, what else? Travel would be not too much different than it would be now (you'd lose bus trips to Fargo and Omaha) for non-Football but would stay at 3 for FB (remove Fargo, add UST). You'd see an increase in attendance no doubt. 

IMO, the key to this is the state of Conf USA currently. They are currently dead last in the G6. This would help the current members immensely. I would think you could do this for little to no additional fee. TV contract. Isn't Conf USAs so minimal right now, you either see if the networks will double that small # or just have all the new teams keep what they have currently until their current deal is up. 

but see my theory is that d1a and d1aa won't be a thing so ndac paid 17.5 million for what they have already.....d1 football.!..no more g10 and p4,5,or 6....

i'm not sure exactly how adding all those schools helps fiu or keensaw state...schools have to add something...but you can't all em all.

under my mvc plan...they get the nodak market, sodak market, twin cities, and omaha....merge the football side over and maybe make a move on hockey....

either way i don't see the dak3 and montana and idaho sitting pat but i don't see them/us spending millions to get into d1 football when the line between 1a and 1aa are blurring in real time

[AJS]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

weber insteadof pocatello u...looks good

Good idea. Added an and / or to the original post. I would leave that up to Montana / Montana State and Idaho. Do they want to add Weber or a bus trip? 

[SIOUXFAN97]

5 minutes ago, AJS said:

Good idea. Added an and / or to the original post. I would leave that up to Montana / Montana State and Idaho. Do they want to add Weber or a bus trip? 

distance from moscow to idaho state or weber state is marginal.....weber has better everything than id state

[AJS]

21 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

but see my theory is that d1a and d1aa won't be a thing so ndac paid 17.5 million for what they have already.....d1 football.!..no more g10 and p4,5,or 6....

i'm not sure exactly how adding all those schools helps fiu or keensaw state...schools have to add something...but you can't all em all.

under my mvc plan...they get the nodak market, sodak market, twin cities, and omaha....merge the football side over and maybe make a move on hockey....

either way i don't see the dak3 and montana and idaho sitting pat but i don't see them/us spending millions to get into d1 football when the line between 1a and 1aa are blurring in real time

Shot in the arm for Conference USA. They are at the bottom of the G6 with no way out currently. No downside for current members. As far as your theory. I'll believe that when I see it. There's a reason the AC paid 17.5 million. 

I can't find a reason why all schools wouldn't be on board with this. I think there'd be a real fear with administrations of being left behind. The Summit is on life support as is. 

Added bonus being you screw NDSU with Non-FB sports + IMO, you're in a more fun G6 league. @gfhockey you want to get this to Chavez? I don't see anything wrong with kicking the tires. My question is, who says no? 

[SIOUXFAN97]

8 minutes ago, AJS said:

Shot in the arm for Conference USA. They are at the bottom of the G6 with no way out currently. No downside for current members. As far as your theory. I'll believe that when I see it. There's a reason the AC paid 17.5 million. 

I can't find a reason why all schools wouldn't be on board with this. I think there'd be a real fear with administrations of being left behind. The Summit is on life support as is. 

Added bonus being you screw NDSU with Non-FB sports + IMO, you're in a more fun G6 league. @gfhockey you want to get this to Chavez? I don't see anything wrong with kicking the tires. My question is, who says no? 

yep...if the summit doesn't eject ndac i'm all for moving anywhere that offers oly with the the other sodak schools and whoever else...let's go!

[SIOUXFAN97]

would love to see the dak3 and st thomas and others "move" and leave ndac's oly's in the ncc2.0 with augies and st cloud and mankato and duluth....PLEASE

[bison73]

1 hour ago, AJS said:

Forming a new Division for Conference USA seems like the move. For FB you play your division (8 games) and have a title game with the winner of each division. Even for Olympic sports, is travel that much more of a concern? Home and Home in your division, then one game against the other division. This is a win for everyone.  

Division

Idaho

Idaho State or Weber State

Montana

Montana State

UND

USD

SDSU

St. Thomas 

Missouri State

Division

Delaware

FIU

Jacksonville State

Kennesaw State

Liberty

Middle Tennessee State

NM State

Sam Houston

Western Kentucky

 

Now why would you be for this when UND complained about travel cost as a reason for leaving the The Big Sky?

[AJS]

17 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

yep...if the summit doesn't eject ndac i'm all for moving anywhere that offers oly with the the other sodak schools and whoever else...let's go!

NDSU is gone as soon as they can from the Summit. Need to get the wheels moving. Good on Larson, can’t say he didn’t warn you. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 minutes ago, AJS said:

NDSU is gone as soon as they can from the Summit. Need to get the wheels moving. Good on Larson, can’t say he didn’t warn you. 

jfc why wait...yet my poll is showing keep them....holy crap people...boot em while you can

[AJS]

5 minutes ago, bison73 said:

Now why would you be for this when UND complained about travel cost as a reason for leaving the The Big Sky?

See below. No difference in travel for FB (same amount of bus trips). Few less than currently in the Summit for other sports but still looking at 3 bus trips. Not a similar scenario at all to the Big Sky days.

1 hour ago, AJS said:

Outside of the basic increases you'd incur with an FBS move, what else? Travel would be not too much different than it would be now (you'd lose bus trips to Fargo and Omaha) for non-Football but would stay at 3 for FB (remove Fargo, add UST). You'd see an increase in attendance no doubt. 

IMO, the key to this is the state of Conf USA currently. They are currently dead last in the G6. This would help the current members immensely. I would think you could do this for little to no additional fee. TV contract. Isn't Conf USAs so minimal right now, you either see if the networks will double that small # or just have all the new teams keep what they have currently until their current deal is up. 

 

[homer]

20 minutes ago, AJS said:

NDSU is gone as soon as they can from the Summit. Need to get the wheels moving. Good on Larson, can’t say he didn’t warn you. 

The presidents of the Summit league should call his bluff.  Zero chance the MWC schools want anything to do with sending their Olympic sports to Fargo for games.  
 

THE average salary for a men’s head basketball coach in the MWC is north of a million.  Let him try to figure that out while finding money for football.  

[gfhockey]

Is Chavez sleeves rolled up does anyone know

[SooToo]

27 minutes ago, homer said:

The presidents of the Summit league should call his bluff.  Zero chance the MWC schools want anything to do with sending their Olympic sports to Fargo for games.  
 

THE average salary for a men’s head basketball coach in the MWC is north of a million.  Let him try to figure that out while finding money for football.  

Not opposed to booting the AC, but I wonder why  non-MVFC members of the Summit would vote to dismiss another school from their habitually tenuous sports league.

[SIOUXFAN97]

5 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Is Chavez sleeves rolled up does anyone know

what are your boyz saying?

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 minutes ago, SooToo said:

Not opposed to booting the AC, but I wonder why  non-MVFC members of the Summit would vote to dismiss another school from their habitually tenuous sports league.

summit is on life support anyways.

denver left

st thomas already has the mvc logo on their court

omaha could join em

oral roberts loves sioux falls in the winter....mvc or southland is an option

kc....mvc or southland who knows....