fightingsioux4life Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Hey, if Faison can land him I'll be the first one there with balloons and confetti. I guess that comment should be aimed at Faison and Kelley and not you. This is where the rubber meets the road. Mussman hasn't earned a $250K+ salary, but if we want to build this program the right way, that is the salary range that a new coach will command (whether it's Tibesar or someone else). I am very anxious to find out what they decide after the season.
Matt Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 And lets be honest, nobody posting on this message board has a real clue as to what is going on with the coaching staff or with the players in the locker room. Quite true, but I don't don't have a real clue as to what is going on in a sick person's sinuses, but when I see a runny nose and sneezing, I have a pretty freaking good idea what the problem is. NFL position coaches average in the mid-$300's....so can we please just stop it with the Tibesar nonsense? True again. If anyone here wants to go to their wife and sell a 30% pay cut, you are a better man. Everyone advocating Tibesar taking that type of pay cut to come to UND should stop and quantify what financial loss like that would do to your daily life. Tibesar makes a good living, but he isn't set for life.
geaux_sioux Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Quite true, but I don't don't have a real clue as to what is going on in a sick person's sinuses, but when I see a runny nose and sneezing, I have a pretty freaking good idea what the problem is. True again. If anyone here wants to go to their wife and sell a 30% pay cut, you are a better man. Everyone advocating Tibesar taking that type of pay cut to come to UND should stop and quantify what financial loss like that would do to your daily life. Tibesar makes a good living, but he isn't set for life. But would you know the cause of the runny nose?
Matt Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 But would you know the cause of the runny nose? There's a virus which if infecting otherwise healthy cells, with it's own viral RNA, causing those otherwise healthy cells to perform improperly. Do I need to point out whom is the virus in this analogy pulling the team and the program astray over the last several years?
geaux_sioux Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 There's a virus which if infecting otherwise healthy cells, with it's own viral RNA, causing those otherwise healthy cells to perform improperly. Do I need to point out whom is the virus in this analogy pulling the team and the program astray over the last several years? But what if it's a pollen allergy?
UND92,96 Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Quite true, but I don't don't have a real clue as to what is going on in a sick person's sinuses, but when I see a runny nose and sneezing, I have a pretty freaking good idea what the problem is. True again. If anyone here wants to go to their wife and sell a 30% pay cut, you are a better man. Everyone advocating Tibesar taking that type of pay cut to come to UND should stop and quantify what financial loss like that would do to your daily life. Tibesar makes a good living, but he isn't set for life. First, we really don't know what Tibesar makes, but let's say it is $300k. How far does that get you in a city like Chicago compared to one-third less in a city like GF? What about the costs of housing, for example? Taxes in Illinois vs. North Dakota? There are a lot of factors in play. I don't think it's as clear cut as you might think.
geaux_sioux Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Or the person could be a heroin addict or have hay fever or have a deviated septum or cluster headache.
Matt Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Or the person could be a heroin addict or have hay fever or have a deviated septum or cluster headache. This is football. It isn't that complex.
geaux_sioux Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 This is football. It isn't that complex. Just pointing out that there are multiple ways to end up with the same results aka nothing is black and white. And yes football is pretty complex.
gfhockey Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Tibesar could be a big walleye or a small lake or could be a minnow in a big lake....
kingranch Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 tibesar is not leaving the nfl to come back to coach und. you people need to pull youre heads out of youre asses. his goal is to move up the nfl ladder, not jump off the ladder into the deep deep abondan well that is und football.
Matt Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Just pointing out that there are multiple ways to end up with the same results aka nothing is black and white. And yes football is pretty complex. Agree to disagree on that.
UND Fan Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 First, we really don't know what Tibesar makes, but let's say it is $300k. How far does that get you in a city like Chicago compared to one-third less in a city like GF? What about the costs of housing, for example? Taxes in Illinois vs. North Dakota? There are a lot of factors in play. I don't think it's as clear cut as you might think. When Lennon moved on, I sent an e-mail to Tibesar encouraging him to apply for the job. He sent back a nice note, indicating that he thought the decision had already been made, etc. He thanked me for my interest in his returning to UND and said something about the great experience he had playing and coaching at UND. He certainly didn't say either way whether he would consider coming back for the right offer. Obviously, that was almost seven years ago - I have no idea how he would look at this today. I think it gets down to what his goals are - a head coaching job in the NFL is one-heck of a carrot but he is smart enough to know there are only 32 of those jobs available. If he would like to be a head coach at his alma mater (and maybe move up the college ranks from there), I agree with 92,96 - I don't think a little smaller paycheck would be a big issue. I would think some enticements like a bonus for attendance, making the playoffs, winning the Big Sky, etc. would make the job more appealing.
BigGame Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 First, we really don't know what Tibesar makes, but let's say it is $300k. How far does that get you in a city like Chicago compared to one-third less in a city like GF? What about the costs of housing, for example? Taxes in Illinois vs. North Dakota? There are a lot of factors in play. I don't think it's as clear cut as you might think. In addition, the title and power of a head coach title can be very enticing. Also if he would like to be a head coach in FBS or NFL football one day he will need to gain head coaching experience someplace.
jdub27 Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 I would think some enticements like a bonus for attendance, making the playoffs, winning the Big Sky, etc. would make the job more appealing. I would hope that the next coaching contract, to whomever it may be, will be very much tied to bonuses like this. The other thing that others have mentioned is that the pool of money for assistant coaches is going to have to be bumped up as well.
BigGame Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Agree to disagree on that. It's simple and complex, how about that for confusing. It's simple in the regard that if you do certain things well it will almost always lead to success on the field. For example, being the more physically dominant team will usually win and I think NDSU is a pretty good example of this. It is also very complex because the amount of different parts and functions that must be managed correctly. Strength and conditioning is one small part of the process but each individual may need modifications to the training in order to get the best results. An interesting example that is easy to verify would be what Sanford did for NDSU in regards to testing each player for salt loss during workouts. They then prescribed specific amounts of salt intake for individual players to prevent them from losing to much water and cramping up. This was a big reason NDSU finished so strongly at K State and greatly contributed to the win.
JohnboyND7 Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 In addition, the title and power of a head coach title can be very enticing. Also if he would like to be a head coach in FBS or NFL football one day he will need to gain head coaching experience someplace. Gus Bradley was never a head coach I don't think...
BigGame Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Gus Bradley was never a head coach I don't think... Maybe not, but that would be the exception not the rule and how is it working out for him so far. I know, not really fair considering he walked into a very bad situation.
82SiouxGuy Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 First Head Coaching Position Mike Smith - Atlanta Falcons John Harbaugh - Baltimore Ravens Ron Rivera - Carolina Panthers Marvin Lewis - Cincinnati Bengals Rob Chudzinski - Cleveland Browns Jason Garrett - Dallas Cowboys John Fox - Carolina Panthers, currently coach of the Denver Broncos Jim Schwartz - Detroit Lions Mike McCarthy - Green Bay Packers Gary Kubiak - Houston Texans Chuck Pagano - Indianapolis Colts Gus Bradley - Jacksonville Jaguars Andy Reid - Philadelphia Eagles, currently coach of the Kansas City Chiefs Joe Philbin - Miami Dolphins Bill Belichick - Cleveland Browns, currently coach of the New England Patriots Sean Payton - New Orleans Saints Rex Ryan - New York Jets Dennis Allen - Oakland Raiders Mike Tomlin - Pittsburgh Steelers Mike McCoy - San Diego Chargers Pete Carroll - New York Jets, currently Seattle Seahawks after several stops Jeff Fisher - Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans, currently St. Louis Rams Mike Munchak - Tennessee Titans Mike Shanahan - Los Angeles Raiders, currently Washington Redskins after a few stops 24 out of 32 current head coaches in the NFL had no head coaching experience at any other level. 18 out of the 32 are currently in their first head coaching position. The normal path for an NFL head coach is to start as an assistant coach in college, move on to an assistant position in the NFL, be a coordinator in the NFL and then become a head coach. If Tim Tibesar has aspirations of becoming an NFL head coach he will stay in the NFL. This is his first year in the league. 1
Hansel Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Maybe not, but that would be the exception not the rule and how is it working out for him so far. I know, not really fair considering he walked into a very bad situation. He did get his first "Mussman" against the Broncos.
kingranch Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 First Head Coaching Position Mike Smith - Atlanta Falcons John Harbaugh - Baltimore Ravens Ron Rivera - Carolina Panthers Marvin Lewis - Cincinnati Bengals Rob Chudzinski - Cleveland Browns Jason Garrett - Dallas Cowboys John Fox - Carolina Panthers, currently coach of the Denver Broncos Jim Schwartz - Detroit Lions Mike McCarthy - Green Bay Packers Gary Kubiak - Houston Texans Chuck Pagano - Indianapolis Colts Gus Bradley - Jacksonville Jaguars Andy Reid - Philadelphia Eagles, currently coach of the Kansas City Chiefs Joe Philbin - Miami Dolphins Bill Belichick - Cleveland Browns, currently coach of the New England Patriots Sean Payton - New Orleans Saints Rex Ryan - New York Jets Dennis Allen - Oakland Raiders Mike Tomlin - Pittsburgh Steelers Mike McCoy - San Diego Chargers Pete Carroll - New York Jets, currently Seattle Seahawks after several stops Jeff Fisher - Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans, currently St. Louis Rams Mike Munchak - Tennessee Titans Mike Shanahan - Los Angeles Raiders, currently Washington Redskins after a few stops 24 out of 32 current head coaches in the NFL had no head coaching experience at any other level. 18 out of the 32 are currently in their first head coaching position. The normal path for an NFL head coach is to start as an assistant coach in college, move on to an assistant position in the NFL, be a coordinator in the NFL and then become a head coach. If Tim Tibesar has aspirations of becoming an NFL head coach he will stay in the NFL. This is his first year in the league. end of tibbesar in the hunt thank you 82 Sioux guy
Matt Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 If you want to stay in the NFL, you don't choose to leave the NFL.
kingranch Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 butt butt his wife is from here, cost of living, alma matar, second choice after mussman, I am sure his bags are packed just waiting for the delayed flight out of Chicago.
darell1976 Posted October 16, 2013 Author Posted October 16, 2013 Didn't take long for spurrier or Saban to leave the NFL. Pete Caroll didn't have success with the Jets either. Just because you are in the NFL doesn't mean you can't leave
UND-FB-FAN Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Didn't take long for spurrier or Saban to leave the NFL. Pete Caroll didn't have success with the Jets either. Just because you are in the NFL doesn't mean you can't leave But they held HC positions; that's not the case with Tibesar, who may be trying to reach that position. It just recently happened with NDSU's Gus Bradley, so it could easily happen to Tibesar if he gets a DC job in the next couple years. I think UND's best bet is to get an FCS coordinator or FBS position coach that has had long term success. Kalen DeBoer is a great example because he has a great head coaching record, is familiar with the area, and probably most importantly, is affordable. Same could be said for Bubba Schweigert.
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