darell1976 Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 From this new mess on the Sioux name who is to blame for this mess. I know you could blame a lot of people but who should get most of the blame? Rep. Al Carlson R-Fargo Pres. Robert Kelley Doug Fullerton-Big Sky President Other 3 Quote
ScottM Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 From this new mess on the Sioux name who is to blame for this mess. I know you could blame a lot of people but who should get most of the blame? Rep. Al Carlson R-Fargo Pres. Robert Kelley Doug Fullerton-Big Sky President Other The NC$$, and its bastardized attempts at social engineering. 1 Quote
mikejm Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Does it really matter? This is exactly what was predicted to occur. I can't believe anyone is surprised. Quote
GeauxSioux Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 I don't care who is to blame. I want it fixed. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 The NC$$, and its bastardized attempts at social engineering. ... chicken dinner. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 I don't care who is to blame. I want it fixed. What, you'd rather fix the problem than fix the blame? You're clearly not management material. Quote
Fetch Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 who cares anymore - plenty to go around - instead who can bring everyone together & solve this once & for all & I don't think anyone on your list can do that Quote
darell1976 Posted June 15, 2011 Author Posted June 15, 2011 who cares anymore - plenty to go around - instead who can bring everyone together & solve this once & for all & I don't think anyone on your list can do that Well you have Al who hasn't read the BSC letter to UND and who is totally clueless, you have Doug Fullerton telling UND you may get booted for your name, but we may gain a bunch more teams to have a 20 some conference with FCS and FBS teams, and you have Robert Kelley and well Bob is Bob. Everyone knows what his position on all this is. I think the only one with a clue on everything is Grant Shaft and Mac Schneider. Quote
westsidesioux Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 I blame the SBoHE for not standing up to the Legislature last winter when they had the chance. And bite the hand that feeds you? The legislature really went on a powertrip last winter and they weren't going to be told that they were wrong. Quote
goyotes Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 I don't have the first hand knowledge that many of the posters on the board have and a lot of my knowledge is based on what I have read on your message board, but it certainly appears that UND President Kelley has some credibility issues. UND had 3 years to reach agreement with the 2 tribes in ND, 3 years. Still only one of the 2 tribes addressed the issue. I am not sure if Kelley was president during this whole 3 year period, but there is absolutely no reason, even with tribal politics, this wasn't resolved. Then the whole Tom Douple/Summit speaking out against the nickname rumors. Now the Fullerton/Big Sky rumors. Hopefully, he has shown better leadership in the non-athletic departments at UND. The future of any uniiversity requires strong leadership. Likewise, poor leadership can damage an university, and not just athletics, so bad, it takes years to recover. USD's current president, James Abbott, has done a remarkable job rebuilding USD after his predecessor, Betty Turner Asher almost ruined the University. Hopefully, for UND's sake, Kelley is not another Betty Turner Asher. Quote
GeauxSioux Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 I don't have the first hand knowledge that many of the posters on the board have and a lot of my knowledge is based on what I have read on your message board, but it certainly appears that UND President Kelley has some credibility issues. UND had 3 years to reach agreement with the 2 tribes in ND, 3 years. Still only one of the 2 tribes addressed the issue. I am not sure if Kelley was president during this whole 3 year period, but there is absolutely no reason, even with tribal politics, this wasn't resolved. Then the whole Tom Douple/Summit speaking out against the nickname rumors. Now the Fullerton/Big Sky rumors. Hopefully, he has shown better leadership in the non-athletic departments at UND. The future of any uniiversity requires strong leadership. Likewise, poor leadership can damage an university, and not just athletics, so bad, it takes years to recover. USD's current president, James Abbott, has done a remarkable job rebuilding USD after his predecessor, Betty Turner Asher almost ruined the University. Hopefully, for UND's sake, Kelley is not another Betty Turner Asher. The nickname issue was removed from UND when Kupchella, the last UND president took office. It was up to the SBoHE to get the tribes to agree on the name, not UND. Quote
CAS4127 Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 Others!!!!! Like those former UND presidents and high admins (Clifford/Strinden), legislators and Governors who took for granted that some Sioux Tribe/Band members or PC'ers would never rise up and say anything, and, when they did, the lack of response to the same--that's where it all started and could have been cut off at the pass. 1 Quote
homer Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 Others!!!!! Like those former UND presidents and high admins (Clifford/Strinden), legislators and Governors who took for granted that some Sioux Tribe/Band members or PC'ers would never rise up and say anything, and, when they did, the lack of response to the same--that's where it all started and could have been cut off at the pass. ++++++ Well said CAS. This is something that should have been addressed years ago. Instead it was always a statement saying we will not change the name so deal with it and nothing was done and no consequences were given. Now, UND is looking for something and faces serious consequences if they don't change it. The current leadership at UND has to do whats best for UND now and going into the future. They are playing with the cards they were dealt by others in the past who did nothing to improve relationships. Quote
Fetch Posted June 21, 2011 Posted June 21, 2011 If the Governor can have a meeting with the NCAA - there is still hope If they say no then all you Chicken Little's can ask the Legislature to repeal the Law & they will Until then the sky is not falling Everyone who wants to keep the name should contact the NCAA - memmert@ncaa.org There are lots of things that were not said or thought about or considered the last time Quote
gabe01 Posted June 25, 2011 Posted June 25, 2011 Hockey coach and fans who followed him without having the foresight to see what would happen. Quote
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