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So that's the background for the Wolves nickname! takes me back to simpler times...

Great sweep over Idaho tonight!

out of curiosity, I ran the numbers of both votes against the finalists... in the first vote, out of the votes cast for the 3 semi-finalists, the percentages were within a couple points of where they ended up in the runoff vote: 43% Fighting Hawks 29% Roughriders 28% Nodaks. Then if you cut that to only the voters who voted for either Hawks or Roughriders, it comes to to: 60% Fighting Hawks 40% Roughriders. If you consider only the votes cast for the two finalists during the runoff, it came out to: 62% Fighting Hawks 38% Roughriders. Even though there were thousands more voters, the percentages stayed relatively consistent. so, my conclusion is that there will have to be a monumental shift of voters OR a huge influx of new voters to defeat Fighting Hawks. Oh F'Hawk.

145 votes this time vs 241. Approx 60% of the original exit poll. Will the actual vote also see the same decline? Which nickname will suffer from the largest drop off? Which one will benefit? Since the vote closes at noon, will the results be made public by close of business today?

tnt has a valid point. Roughriders has been my first choice through this whole process. I don't think I'm the only one. Unlike Nodak supporters who were Fighting Sioux (despite potential sanctions) forever, than only North Dakota, and now Nodak. And on top of that, many Nodak supporters want it only temporarily, so that yet another name can be selected. That sounds like a great plan, let's let this hang over UND's head for another 10 years.

there might be a reason for that... see thread title.

Hope everyone that voted for Roughriders returns and votes again. Voter fatigue will take a toll on turnout, as will apathy as many favorites have been eliminated already. Expect that the students will again vote for Fighting Hawks, despite efforts to educate them about the lack of originality and the logo passed around last month net being the real replacement logo. Still cannot wrap my head around the Nodaks moniker. Just feels wrong. I think Petey is misguided, and this nickname will be with UND for a long time, so please think about that when you cast your vote. While Nodaks may be a shortened version of remaining North Dakota, it doesn't sound right as a permanent nickname for the flagship school of the state. As has been posted before, it's ok for a North Dakota based insurance company (who by the way sponsors Bison broadcasts, while Farmer's Union Insurance sponsors UND, iirc), an electric co-op or a retail hardware store, it just doesn't fit for the permanent nickname of UND. Generic bird nicknames don't reflect strongly for a flagship school, either, so might have a tough time if there is yet another round, and may become another victim of voter fatigue if Rouhriders is eliminated this round.

Kelly will have retired by the time a new logo is commissioned. On the other hand, pretty sure Faison will still be at UND.

Y'all are applying 21st century political correctness to this process (as you are with some of the quotes attributed to TR). Wild game trophy hunting was not considered to be a negative circa 1900. Political correctness is what got us into this mess in the first place, and now you are aligning with the PC crowd in your arguments. Edit: if you deer hunt for that trophy buck, you aren't trying to get the tasty meat, those big guys are not tasty.

The apathy/disillusionment rate concerns me. Which of the names will lose the most support? Either by apathy or being disenfranchised by their favorite name already being eliminated or just being tired of the drawn out process. I wonder if that is part of the strategy to get F'Hawks to come out on top. If the poll on this forum is an indication, there may only be half the votes cast as there was in the first round. If that is the case, if enough supporters of any of the 3 remaining names stay the course, it may very well win the 50% required to be the next nickname this round. The comforting thought about this is that Roughriders has polled the best here, so hoping that translates into more apathy in the Nodaks and F'Hawks camps and allows this stupid process to end this week with the selection of Roughriders as the new UND nickname. Go 'Ridas!

I am begging you... Please do not do that. agree that this is a mess, but don't compound the problem and allow Kelly's manipulation to change what the runoff candidates should be, based on the result based on the original vote

my $$ is on lower

They're educators... They gotta grade on the curve.

While I am on your side wanting Roughriders, I tend to agree with these posters that you are teetering on the edge of pissing them off. Ask the Nodak voters to join us, but your real target should be the North Stars and Sundog people. They are the ones whose favorite candidate lost and have the swing votes going forward. If you can get, let's say, 75% of them to vote Roughriders and swing some Nodak'ers, that should put 'ridas ahead of Hawks. Just my my two cents.

if his concentration and/or performance is being impacted by his personal situation, maybe a leave of absence should be considered. (Good) Personnel and play calling need full attention.

good luck with that.

something seriously wrong if this is true.

Was there a Sioux, Cherokee, Arikara, Hidatsa, Mandan, or any other tribal chief named "Fighting Hawk"? it may not be as politically correct as people are assuming.

start with the horse head and color in the mane...

Or Vs. Vs. Yes, I know only the interlocked ND is owned by UND but the others can be modified.

off by a little, thought Roughriders would maintain the lead over Fighting Hawks this round, but looks like the tenor of the prediction may be spot in on.

Stupid question, 'cause I don't know the answer... When end the defense is stacking against the run, is Rudolph's offensive scheme so rigid that the quarterback is not allowed to call an audible? Shouldn't the quarterback recognize the defense and change the play at the line of scrimmage?

the Roughriders at San Juan Hill included Native Americans. btw, how does that fit with Roosevelt's supposed racism? edit... Also, I didn't know about this one - the siege of Santiago!

bump I thought the thread title was a clever play on words about the offensive play calling being offensive, as in the op was offended by the lack of imagination being used. Seems to be a reasonable extrapolation of his intent. The play calling has been too predictable and needs a change of pace... First down plunge into the middle of the line, second down off tackle or sweep, third down desperation pass leads to fourth down punt unless you shake things up.

Last day of the vote and Nodaks is making a push on the exit poll on SS. Is that a reflection a surge in the official tally? doubt that either North Stars or even Sundogs actually come out as low and also think there will be more support for Fighting Hawks outside this forum. Will it be enough to displace Nodaks or Roughriders? My guess is that this forum would tend to be more aligned with the hockey team's wishes , or any of the athletes for that matter, than the other 75,000 or so people eligible to vote. Are any of the names strong enough among the casual fan or even the interested alumni to get them to actually take the time to make sure they can vote? Since the email addresses in the UND.edu domain are the automatic votes, the preferences of the students and faculty will play a larger part in the final tally. With the students, it sounds like they are leaning toward Fighting Hawks iirc, while I expect that the faculty may be more Sundog supporters than most of the public. Many alumni out of the area will more than likely not be following the debate closely enough to have heard the hockey team references or the discussions about the dozens of other _____ Hawk names and other reasons covered on the forum. The alumni who are hockey supporters more than other sports may be more likely to vote than the general casual fan, but they may prefer the North Stars name, especially those in the cities. The Roughrider reference as the state nickname, even if it's unofficial, will have more support from the out of region alumni, the question is, will they vote? so, predicting an upset ... Fighting Hawks will sneak into second place ahead of Nodaks, Sundogs may hit double digits, but barely. North Stars will also pick up support, but not enough. Run-off between Fighting Hawks and Roughriders. In the end, the Hawks pick up the anti-Roughrider vote and the new name you hear will be University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux Hawks. btw- voted Roughriders have made no secret of my dislike for Nodaks