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That is about all they would be able to get out because they would be laughing once they realized you were being serious.

Don't expect a response (or at least one that has anything to do with the question you asked).

Video of the debate A couple highlights (paraphrased) Strand: We had an agreement, we should stick to it Carlson: The Sioux people weren't at the table for it <--He must have missed were that argument got tossed out in court. Strand: There is concern about hurting the University Carlson: Well I think that is an argument for the side to movingonasfastasicanchangethesubject... I wish Strand would have went into a little more detail but there wasn't much time for that.

If this opinion piece is any indication, he's going to use actual facts to make his argument and that should make him a heavy favorite. Unless of course Carlson just keeps repeating "It's the law, it's the law..."

Again Dave, you are the one who said that there were top schools who didn't provide athletics, no one else. And you can't back it up and provide a single example, there was no deflecting by anyone but you. Changing a nickname isn't neutering a program, putting it under sanctions definitely is though. If you think the NCAA would care about UND dropping their program, you might want to lower the dosage on whatever you are taking. You keep forgetting the fact that UND is a voluntary member of the NCAA. Also, your rant about pets makes no sense, lots of people replace their pets. Getting a new pet doesn't insult the memory of an old one. Please put this in your signature so that people that come around here and happen to catch tiny pieces of your selfish ramblings know to not take your opinion seriously.

Not disagreeing. But who is more likely to apply for the job? As much as fans would like to see Berry or someone of that caliber, they have to want to come back to the NCAA. Regardless, I think Hak has a plan in place, we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out.

Doesn't that make it much more interesting that Litke has already quit his job? Obviously it needs to be posted for a certain time frame, but it is a little strange.

I would think there are more hotels within walking distance as well.

Proclaiming should UND drop its athletic department because many of the finest schools in the country don't have athletics then not being able to name a single example is not semantics, its just making flat out false statements. You tried to further you position by making a pretty bold statement, unfortunately there was no basis behind it.

It is still a better example than anything Dave has provided to back up his statement. Not that it is surprising in the least. When you are someone who is never wrong, you just ignore the times you are incorrect or keep moving the target until the subject is changed.

I would guess you will start seeing a lot more of Big Sky teams fill the non-conference games similar to how UND and Portland State are doing this year. Nice option to have.

Your inability to provide a single example backing up a statement you made is nothing short of ridiculous and frankly embarrassing for you. And as to your point about the correlation between athletics and education, as others have pointed out, the finest colleges in the country have athletics and you can't prove different. They obviously deem it an important part of the college experience. I wouldn't expect you to understand. But the fact that you make sweeping generalizations, get called out on it and fail to prove your comments as fact shows exactly what you are. Someone who cares about themselves and nothing else and will make any statement to prove there point even when that statement is blatantly false.

That wasn't the question. You are the one changing it. Provide an answer or admit your were wrong.

The questions was about the complete college experience. You are the one who said that many of the finest colleges in the US don't have athletics. You made a false statement and can't back it up. Keep moving the target and pretending you aren't making things up Dave. It wasn't a matter of whether or not it can't be done, it was a matter of you saying that it is done. And based on the info that is out there, it appears that all of the finest colleges in the US do in fact have athletic departments. So unless you can provide an examples of many of the finest colleges in the US not having athletics, I guess there is no way to know... You seem to be the one that won't answer a questions about a statement you made.

No. What I am saying is you claim that many of the finest universities in the US don't offer athletics and you refuse to name any of them. And you keep avoiding answering the question. Not surprising from someone who thinks of only himself.

Getting pretty defensive. You said UND should make a statement and drop athletics and it wouldn't matter because many of the finest colleges in the US don't have athletics in response to my comment that the athletics of a University are part of the college experience. All I asked you to do is back up this statement that you made... So go ahead. Either admit you are wrong or list the colleges you are referring to. Not rocket science by any means. Since it is some of the finest colleges in the country, they should be pretty easy to name them off. I even provided you with the US News list of top colleges.

Dave, why do you keep ignoring my requests to list your examples of top tier schools that don't have athletics? Can't be any reason behind it can there...?

Dave, still waiting for that list of prestigious schools without athletics that you keep touting but fail to identify. As for your other point, going to a school doesn't equal to being a fan. But athletic departments enhance the overall college experience. I've been to many games where I have no rooting interest in either team but go just because I enjoy sports. I know you wouldn't understand that concept, but athletic departmenta are a net gain for colleges.

I asked you to name these top colleges in country without athletic departments and you still haven't. Please list your examples. Athletics are part of the college experience as a whole. Maybe it is something you need to experience to understand. Makes understanding your logic a lot easier.

. Well the defense get an advantage from smaller jerseys becasue when they are baggy, the offensive lineman can and do grab a handful of jersey while blocking and it is tough to detect. It isn't a matter of opinion. It is a matter of functionality. Also, you are bad an analogies.

For the defense it was. Much easier to grab a handful of jersey as a player went by/through the line.

You forget, it all revolves around selfish Dave. There is no other explanation for his insistence that UND be the Fighting Sioux or the whole athletic department be shut down. This is despite the fact that they have been known as other things in the past. This goes beyond cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I'm glad we can agree on you being selfish. Studies continue to show that strong athletic programs lead to strong universities. Harming the athletic department and putting it on sanctions does not allow it to compete at the highest level it is capable of. That does not reflect well on the University of North Dakota. People advocating for the change care about the University itself, not the jersey's the teams wear or what name is above their score on the scoreboard. Unfortunately that is beyond your selfish needs/wants. Really? Looking through top 50 schools, I didn't see one that doesn't participate in not only sports, but they all appear to sponsor sports in the NCAA at some level. US News Rankings Feel free to double check and ponit out if I missed one, but your point is absolutely incorrect.

Here's the issue: You claim you have priorities/values and values, but in reality, all you are saying is that it is all about DaveK and nothing else. You've made that abundantly clear. It is not what is best for the University of North Dakota, its athletic department or student-athletes. It is about what you want, no matter how selfish that may be (and it is incredibly selfish). The rest of us are looking out for what is best for everyone involved. Sometimes in life you make decisions you don't want to because it is for the greater good. It is unfortunate and very sad that you are so selfish and only concerned about what you want and what you like that you won't allow yourself to see (or care about) the damage your selfishness will cause. The vested interest you claim to have is nothing more than your own selfish interest. It has nothing to do with anything but what you want. I don't hold anyone to a different set of standard than myself. I don't want to lose the nickname/logo, but I would rather lose that than watch the University of North Dakota athletic department be put at a disadvantage and slowly dwindle away. You and your selfishness on the other hand would purposely put UND at a disadvantage just so you can see them wear a certain jersey and be announced a certain way before games, regardless of the known and yet to be known consequences that come with that. That again shows where your priorities lie, whatever is best for yourself.

Yep. I'm voting yes, you're voting no. I'm pro-UND, you're anti-UND. Got it! The sad thing is, I respect and care about the nickname, you can't say the same about UND.