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The most recent comments were for a home and home, nothing more, nothing less. Faison has said he wants it to be more than that, but the offer that was talked about was only a home and home. GT is getting the only contract that he said would be acceptable. Why is he talking about University Presidents needing to be involved now that he is getting offered what he wants?

If Gene Taylor didn't want the game why did he say he would only agree to a home and home? And at this point, I do agree with you that either team doesn't absolutely need the game. But, it is a game that would excite both fan bases far beyond what any other regular season game would. And it continues to get tougher and more expensive to get OOC games with no return. If you are going to have to make it a home and home, why not do one where the fan bases can easily travel to?

If Gene Taylor means what he says, it should. He asked for a home and home. That is the contract Faison has said he will send or already has sent to him. The question becomes why is GT already making comments about the University presidents probably needing to be involved. Pretty sure that isn't normal for negotiations. Is he already looking for an out now that Faison gave him what he wants? Not saying he is, but I'd be interested in hearing his explanation on it.

Hmmmm.... Never mind, nothing to see here...

It looks like he is interested in aviation. Pretty good reason to come to UND I guess.

Bill Clinton defense, interesting choice. That depends Dave, what is your definition of "every"? You lost the argument long ago. Unfortunately you just keep moving the goal posts and which leads to you being proven wrong again and again.

While I agree with 82Sioux that you are the one who should have to back up your statement, I provided you with a link to the top colleges before but I know you are going to use not having it as an excuse, here it US News list. Nothing in the top 100, but I guess I don't know how high of a rank you still consider finest in the nation...

Playing D-III means UND is still under sanctions. Playing NAIA means dropping hockey. Looks like a no win situation to me. Dave said that some of the finest colleges had no sports. That is false unless he can magically come up with an answer, but being how he has completely avoided and then changed the question, things aren't looking in his favor.

sigh...

Close but not quite. We are all Fighting Sioux fans. There are other here who have made it very clear that thay are no fan of the University of North Dakota. Anyone openly admitting that they don't think there will be or care if there will be harm from sanctions on the student-athletes, athletic department and the University as a whole are not fans of the University of North Dakota. And it has been made clear before which one can survive without the other and it isn't the nickname and logo that goes on the jersey, those have both been changed before. The University of North Dakota is the constant in the equation.

Wrong. Your point was that they could make a statement by doing it AND there are already schools that do this, meaning that is has been shown in the past to be successful. What part of does not imply that you are saying there are schools that are already doing this? You are right that you have not offered to give any examples. But you were asked for some by myself and other because no one can seem to find any of these mythical colleges that are some of the finest in the country without athletics. You are the one deflecting and you are the one who continues to make statements/post other's statements that have lies and misconceptions in them as fact while they are continually proven false to you.

The letter writer says this: and then goes on to criticize them for doing exactly that.

So you base you decisions on what a bunch other people think, not just DaveK and his buddies. Glad they teach you to think for yourself down south.

So you are voting no because DaveK and his buddies want you to. Just wanted to make sure I have that correct and you can see how ridiculous it looks in writing.

Coming from the guy openly claiming to be voting no. Then again, think of the people you are dealing with...

Gene Taylor said he wanted a home and home, with nothing guaranteed in the future to allow him flexibility. Faison wanted a game every year. The contracts being discussed and sent over to NDSU were a home and home. Gene Taylor got what he wanted, now the question is why is he wavering and saying school presidents might need to get involved? Pretty sure that isn't standard practice in scheduling at either NDSU or UND.

I agree 100% that it is not a good feeling to know that those that are fighting for the University to be the best it can be now want the same end result as those who have come after UND for years with accusations and stories, with the majority of those proven to be baseless and fabricated. I only agree partially with your second statement. It is true that continuing to argue with those on here who have dug in their heels will not change their mind. But there are many are many people who only read what goes on in these forums and do not participate, most likely a lot of people with limited knowledge of the history and proceedings of this mess. By allowing those who won't face the reality of the situation to continue to put out fairyland situations or asinine comments where the threats aren't real, those people searching for information on the subject are very likely to walk away with the wrong idea. That can not happen. People need to be properly educated on the matter and make their decision from that. The Alumni Association is taking the lead on that in the traditional media, there are many on this board who are making sure that same message is delivered for those looking here for information as well.

I feel confident that it is accurate because your response shows you don't understand it. Also, I'd ask for examples on what is wrong with it but looking at your track record, I know you will either change the question or use some straw man argument and avoid it.

They didn't want uninformed people spewing misleading information. I'd also like to join in the those asking you for what lies are in that ad.

I thought this article on Ole Miss's recruiting is a little bit relevant and gives some insight to the strategy Mussman is using, though at a much smaller level.

From the Herald article: I take it they haven't read the settlement agreement. No one is happy about it (minus a few vocal NDSU fans) but it is unfortunately the truth.

Sanctions or changing the name : Changing the name is the lesser of those two evils if you truly support the University of North Dakota.

LOUD NOISES!

Really? Because here was your original argument... It seems to me that your point was that even if UND drops their athletics, they could still be like some of the finest colleges in the country. Yet you can't provide one. This isn't semantics, it is you being called out on a blatantly false statement. You say it is all about being one of the finest schools even without sports, yet you can't provide any of these schools. Who are some of these finest colleges in the country that don't have sports that you refer to that UND should aspire to be like?

Same spin that was quoted as truth by NDSU fans when the VB and MBB games were scheduled. NDSU has proven themselves no more then EWU (a team NDSU fans love to rag on) has the last couple years. A playoff appearance followed by a national championship. NDSU has a couple more years before you start declaring yourselves as a Montana or Georgia Southern. As was shown this year by NDSU (successful) and UNI (unsucessful) scheduling, it is becoming a lot harder to get those two home counter games without signing a home and home and teams will keep holding out for big time money because they know they can. And we are talking about games 3 and 5 years out. If you don't think they field will be close to level by then, you don't remember history all that well.