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52-17 UND If we want to be national champs, we have to think big. Besides SUU isn't that good.

Nope, I'm only disillusioned with with the money wasted on the logo fight.

The one thing I foresee from both schools playing SUU is the score being run up. You can bet it will happen if either get the chance. The down side to this is, if we get control of the game early, it would be good to get some of the younger players some field time.

So, what are the odds of San Diego going the scholie route? Looks like nobody else is possible due to the moratorium.

The loser usually only pays court costs in frivolous lawsuits, but not in this case, since it has merit. So, you can forget the idea of NCAA picking up the tab after Janke rules in favor of UND, and UND won't get stuck with the bill after the Honorable Judge is overturned on appeal. As per the cost of removing said offensive logos, Ralph was warned many times the logo would someday have to go and he chose to ignore it. I'd say either UND or REA, Inc will have to eat the cost. No way this issue will disappear until we get a neutral logo. Sorry, but I'm a UND grad too.

You are right, at least according to the way I understand it. First year we are still D2, then four more years of D1. The first year of eligibility would be 2012. As to conferences, no one has a crystal ball to see out that far. Something will open up, just no use getting excited out it until about 2011.

Tell Grandpa to hang in there a few more years, I think he'll get to see us called the Flickertails again

Nay. for obvious reasons

Actually, offensive speech IS NOT protected. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater, you can't use the "N" word to decribe African Americans, and due to sexual harassment, you can't use the "C" word to any female in the work place. Sorry, but offensive free speech isn't protected. Getting back to the money issue, it may be costing UND more then you think. How many alums, besides me, quit giving because of the name controversy?

So, any alum who doesn't like the idea of the lawsuit is supposed to just grit our teeth and keep quiet? I sat through enough poly sci classes to fully appreciate free speech. And no, your free speech wanting the Sioux logo doesn't top the free speech of the Indian Nations who are offended by it. Sorry.

I think if you look around though, you will find a lot more "9" team football conferences then "10" team conferences. I would rather have to look for the extra NC game, rather then not play one conference member every year. What happens when you skip the big rival? Sooner or later it would happen. It could also happen that you skip the team that wins the conference. You didn't beat them because you didn't play them. Far too many negatives for a 10 team conference.

You beat me to the punch, but yep, I do think that the third of a million $ we have just wasted could have been used elsewhere. By the time this goes through the endless appeals, I can see we are talking $1 million+. No use arguing the merits of the name, we've gone through this before. I just feel it's time to cut our loses and find a new logo.

Didn't have a chance to listen to the game last night, so I had to look at the blog updates. We might have lost, but hey, who ever really expected we'd get to the final four back in December? Still a good season.

Unfortunetely, blogs like this will continue until we get rid of the name, once and for all. Maybe we could retire the name and put in the trophy case beside the nickel? One look at the "Sammy Sioux" picture should tell you what the history is behind our name. I say drop the name and move on. Why be held hostage to a name by every blogger then comes along? And yes, I really am a UND grad.

It's my impression that all four schools, Duluth, Augie, St. Cloud, and Mankato will get accepted into the NSIC. Recent article somewhere had virtually every president in favor of expansion and splitting conference into two halves. I don't think having a conference with 14 members is a good idea, it's too large, but I'm pretty sure they won't ask me.

Anyone who thinks the SU's are going to leave the mid con in 2-5 years is forgetting one thing: they agreed to an early termination fee of something like $500,000 if they leave in less then 8 years. I realize a half a million bucks isn't what it used to be, but considering how they flinched over paying an up front initiation fee, they aren't going anywhere. Heck, they'll be waiting for us with open arms when we come calling to join.

It was reported on the news that the Lawsuit fund has been shut down. Sounds like they will still accept money if given, but they aren't beating the bushes for it anymore. Does that mean we can get back to the business of playing games and getting into the conferences we deserve and quit this assinine lawsuit? Pump the money into the teams, not the lawyers.

I still can't beleive how many people think UND is going to get to play in Fargo this year. If we have to beg, we don't want the game. What is so tough about that?

I hope Davis and Poly don't move up too soon. The Great West is already on the verge of dying. If the Cal schools leave before UND gets into a better conference, we are sunk.

I did infer that moving the NCC up was past and we should concentrate on getting into good conferences. I don't view the Great West as being any better then moving up the NCC in terms of the auto bid, and we have less teams and more miles to travel. I think we both do agree that the only real solution is kick @$$ so we get into the Gateway and Mid Con.

Regarding a conference, if we wanted one before we moved, we should have pushed the whole NCC up to D1, which really would have been my choice. Let the weaker teams drop out. Since that didn't happen, we now shoot for the Gateway-Mid Con in a few years. No conference is going to take any team until they are almost through with the transition. Just the way it is. Regarding the Gateway article linked here, I'd say it's a rather cheap shot to say UND was a day late and a dollar short.

to GreauxSioux, I'll admit, I'm not real happy about the timing of the D1 move, but I've decided that it will work out. No use bickering about that. The move and getting into good conference are more important. The name is another story, and I don't want it hanging over us forever. True, I'm not afraid to call things as I see them, it doesn't make me less of a fan or an alum. I honestly want to see the University move forward. I just wish the money would flow for academics like it does for sports. Problem is no one ever cheered for anyone talking a phschology test like they do for scoring a touchdown. Maybe we should stop griping about the lawsuit, the NDSU thing, and whatever other problems come up. Lets work toward getting into meaningful conferences and dominating the Great West before we move on.

I'm more interested in getting this behind us rather then fighting about it. Even if we win the lawsuit, there is nothing to keep other AD's from refusing to play UND. And, as I said earlier, we don't have the Native Americans solidly behind us. I feel it is time to focus on the D1 move up. The money going to fight the name change might just come in handy when we have to pony up $250,000 for an initiation fee. I know,it's a "separate" fund drive, but lets face it, money is money. I say finding a meaningful conference (or two) is more important.