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Ha, ha! I'm honored. I like a person who is stingy with their reps!

Hi, I am willing to purchase 4 tickets from anyone who might not be using theirs for the Saturday game against Colorado College on Jan. 23. PM me if you're interested in selling.

They blew up the HPC, too. Donor had it written into a clause in the case that the nickname ever changed. Heard the place was prefitted for dynamite charges and eveverything. <purple font>

Anything is debatable, El Rancho.

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. You sure are passionate about fonts. This thread. SMH.

You're such a victim. How do you even cope.

So true.

I get your greater point. It's just magnified when it's on a team that is trying to build quality depth.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

For those interested, below is the actual finish. UND beat the projections by a good number! Way to go, Bubba and boys! 2015 Football Standings School Conf Pct Overall Home Away Streak Southern Utah * 7-1 0.875 8-4 5-0 3-4 L1 Portland State 6-2 0.750 9-3 4-2 5-1 L1 Montana 6-2 0.750 8-5 5-2 3-3 L1 North Dakota 5-3 0.625 7-4 4-1 3-3 W3 Northern Arizona 5-3 0.625 7-4 5-0 2-4 L1 Eastern Washington 5-3 0.625 6-5 3-2 3-3 L3 Weber State 5-3 0.625 6-5 4-1 2-4 W2 Northern Colorado 3-5 0.375 6-5 4-2 2-3 W1 Montana State 3-5 0.375 5-6 4-2 1-4 L1 Cal Poly 3-5 0.375 4-7 2-3 2-4 L1 UC Davis 2-6 0.250 2-9 1-4 1-5 W1 Idaho State 1-7 0.125 2-9 1-4 1-5 L5 Sacramento State 1-7 0.125 2-9 2-3 0-6 L3

Thanks, Goon! Not saying I'm correct, just a strong hunch. I was getting a little tired of people (some on here, mostly on Facebook and some blogs) throwing out as absolute fact that the reason most of the 55,000 didn't vote was that they were ticked off at the way things went down and that their non-vote was instead a sort-of vote of protest, if you will. Again, I am sure that did happen, but not to the degree that some would argue. There's just too many alums who have passed through UND who couldn't care less. Or, there are the thousands of folks like my retirement-age mom who who loves UND athletics, but lives in the middle of Nowhere'sville, North Dakota or wherever, with no computer or Internet access, and very little ambition to vote. She's anything but PO'd about the whole thing.

Per Tom Miller: Esko's (Minn.) Jaxson Turner to UND.

I would love to see it. I would gladly eat crow if my hunch is proven incorrect. But with no data, I fear we'll never know.

Let's face it, the 82,000 figure was a best guess at best by the Alumni Association to come up with the potential number of stakeholder voters that might be out there. The vast majority of this 82,000-stakeholder figure would comprise alumni or anyone who has passed through the university and snatched a degree in the process (I don't think they went with the more loosely determined definition of alumni, which is anyone who matriculated to UND whether they graduated or not). So I am excluding all non-alumni staff, non-alum faculty, non-alum donors and non-alum season ticket holders as making up the vast majority of the rest of this fabled 82,000 figure. We know we had about 27,000-some who did vote, which leaves about 55,000 stakeholders out there who chose not to for whatever reason. It is my contention that the vast majority of this "disgruntled" 55,000 is not disgruntled at all. Instead it is the thousands upon thousands of UND alumni, who, during their time at UND did not once think about UND athletics, did not once darken the doors of the old Ralph, the new Ralph, the old Winter Sports Center, Hyslop, the Betty, etc. They are the grad students from Timbuktu who came here to get a degree and go home. They are the philosophy majors who spent more time at the Chest Fritz Library studying then they did anywhere else on campus. They are the music majors who only ventured inside the Ralph to sing the national anthem and then left right away to do whatever else college students do who are not interested in sports. They are the drama students who knew Burtness Theatre like the back of their hand but couldn't identify Hyslop for the life of them. Bottomline, they are the ones who never would have voted anyway, the ones who haven't thought about UND since they moved away 5,10, 15, 20, 25, etc. years ago. I get it, sports is popular, and it's a big thing on the UND campus, I can attest to that. I am as big a UND fan as there comes. But you will never get me to believe that much of those lost 55,000-strong group of non-voters didn't vote because they were pissed about the options or the process. Most of them simply were not going to vote no matter what the options were or process was. There were some who didn't do it because they were angry, I know, but my hunch is that it is a much smaller portion of the 55,000 than some on here and many in the media think/say it is.

I agree! Interesting discussion, though!

Grady was under the radar outside of our region. The FCS, Division II and NAIA schools in ND may have been aware of him but beyond that, it's hard to tell. I've seen ND high school players with less talent and potential get snatched up by low level FBS programs. Hell, even the eastern fringe BSC schools might have given him a sniff. UND's big Wild card with Grady was that he was a legacy recruit, and that might have staved off NDSU a bit in its recruiting of him as far as in-state competition. But UND didn't need or want the other headaches from competition outside the state. The coaches have said as much that they had tried to keep Grady on the down low -- that is the main point here.

official box score reports the same number as the Herald. http://www.undsports.com/downloads2/1136402.htm?ATCLID=210579389&SPSID=58563&SPID=6388&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=13500

you must have missed the part where I said I'm good with a change, just not midseason when there is no one internal to step in and take over. At the end of the season would be fine.... If we don't win the BSC tourney.

if we can keep our talented players, both proven and the promising newcomers, from defecting through a change in leadership, then im ok with such a move. But remember, we very likely will be letting the whole staff go except for maybe one guy to manage the program in the interim. And we all know how long things took to replace Muss. So my only question is when is the right time to make the move -- mid season or at the end of the season. That's why I get so tired of the incessant "Fire Jones now!" mantra. I personally think it would be pointless to make a move right now. Let's just wait... See what happens and do it when the season is over. Anything less than a BSC championship and a bid to the dance, I think, should met with no new contract for the current staff. i just tend to be pretty conservative with most things in life, and , like most North Dakotans, I tend to be averse to change for fear of the unknown. I could be good with this change ; just not now. However, I could be swayed with the right argument.

Wisco wins SO thanks to a wacky goal originally ruled no goal ..... The referee signaled no goal but the puck continued to bounce off SAB and trickled into the net. Upon on further review (Spivey had to consult his rule book), it was ruled a good goal.

UND takes Wisco to OT and survives one night after knocking them from the undefeated ranks. Each team gets a point tonight. Shoot out coming up.

the points are there for her. she just has to be more patient, set her feet and quit rushing her shots. If she works on that this year, all summer and into next season, she could be very special.

I think for just his court side behavior. But you knew that.

correction: UND tried to give that game away, and NDSU WAS interested.

Did we beat the spread?