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I would love to see it. I would gladly eat crow if my hunch is proven incorrect. But with no data, I fear we'll never know.

Let's face it, the 82,000 figure was a best guess at best by the Alumni Association to come up with the potential number of stakeholder voters that might be out there. The vast majority of this 82,000-stakeholder figure would comprise alumni or anyone who has passed through the university and snatched a degree in the process (I don't think they went with the more loosely determined definition of alumni, which is anyone who matriculated to UND whether they graduated or not). So I am excluding all non-alumni staff, non-alum faculty, non-alum donors and non-alum season ticket holders as making up the vast majority of the rest of this fabled 82,000 figure. We know we had about 27,000-some who did vote, which leaves about 55,000 stakeholders out there who chose not to for whatever reason. It is my contention that the vast majority of this "disgruntled" 55,000 is not disgruntled at all. Instead it is the thousands upon thousands of UND alumni, who, during their time at UND did not once think about UND athletics, did not once darken the doors of the old Ralph, the new Ralph, the old Winter Sports Center, Hyslop, the Betty, etc. They are the grad students from Timbuktu who came here to get a degree and go home. They are the philosophy majors who spent more time at the Chest Fritz Library studying then they did anywhere else on campus. They are the music majors who only ventured inside the Ralph to sing the national anthem and then left right away to do whatever else college students do who are not interested in sports. They are the drama students who knew Burtness Theatre like the back of their hand but couldn't identify Hyslop for the life of them. Bottomline, they are the ones who never would have voted anyway, the ones who haven't thought about UND since they moved away 5,10, 15, 20, 25, etc. years ago. I get it, sports is popular, and it's a big thing on the UND campus, I can attest to that. I am as big a UND fan as there comes. But you will never get me to believe that much of those lost 55,000-strong group of non-voters didn't vote because they were pissed about the options or the process. Most of them simply were not going to vote no matter what the options were or process was. There were some who didn't do it because they were angry, I know, but my hunch is that it is a much smaller portion of the 55,000 than some on here and many in the media think/say it is.

I agree! Interesting discussion, though!

Grady was under the radar outside of our region. The FCS, Division II and NAIA schools in ND may have been aware of him but beyond that, it's hard to tell. I've seen ND high school players with less talent and potential get snatched up by low level FBS programs. Hell, even the eastern fringe BSC schools might have given him a sniff. UND's big Wild card with Grady was that he was a legacy recruit, and that might have staved off NDSU a bit in its recruiting of him as far as in-state competition. But UND didn't need or want the other headaches from competition outside the state. The coaches have said as much that they had tried to keep Grady on the down low -- that is the main point here.

official box score reports the same number as the Herald. http://www.undsports.com/downloads2/1136402.htm?ATCLID=210579389&SPSID=58563&SPID=6388&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=13500

you must have missed the part where I said I'm good with a change, just not midseason when there is no one internal to step in and take over. At the end of the season would be fine.... If we don't win the BSC tourney.

if we can keep our talented players, both proven and the promising newcomers, from defecting through a change in leadership, then im ok with such a move. But remember, we very likely will be letting the whole staff go except for maybe one guy to manage the program in the interim. And we all know how long things took to replace Muss. So my only question is when is the right time to make the move -- mid season or at the end of the season. That's why I get so tired of the incessant "Fire Jones now!" mantra. I personally think it would be pointless to make a move right now. Let's just wait... See what happens and do it when the season is over. Anything less than a BSC championship and a bid to the dance, I think, should met with no new contract for the current staff. i just tend to be pretty conservative with most things in life, and , like most North Dakotans, I tend to be averse to change for fear of the unknown. I could be good with this change ; just not now. However, I could be swayed with the right argument.

Wisco wins SO thanks to a wacky goal originally ruled no goal ..... The referee signaled no goal but the puck continued to bounce off SAB and trickled into the net. Upon on further review (Spivey had to consult his rule book), it was ruled a good goal.

UND takes Wisco to OT and survives one night after knocking them from the undefeated ranks. Each team gets a point tonight. Shoot out coming up.

the points are there for her. she just has to be more patient, set her feet and quit rushing her shots. If she works on that this year, all summer and into next season, she could be very special.

I think for just his court side behavior. But you knew that.

correction: UND tried to give that game away, and NDSU WAS interested.

Did we beat the spread?

It was their Super Bowl.

Maybe locally.... but not by many many others that we recruit against regionally in the BSC, MVW and Northern Sun.

True.... though, they have the tendency to have pretty decent luck at attracting FBS drop downs from the western part of the country. i.e. Boise State or some of the Utah and Washington FBS schools. Nonetheless, your point stands!

Looks like ISU quarterback Sanders is transferring out per Twitter. He was a good one as I recall. That leaves them with three freshmen waiting in teh wings.

Looks like ISU quarterback Sanders is transferring out per Twitter. He was a good one as I recall. That leaves them with three freshmen waiting in teh wings.

No info here... just playing armchair quarterback. Sorry.

I would go with no QB this year over just a warm body to chuck the ball if that's the way things play out, and then double-down and try again next year to go after someone who is the right fit, whatever that means to Bubba and staff, and talent to compete right away if needed. We can't be giving scholarships/FCOA to just any chump off the street.

^^^This.

Who are you referring to as a third string bust in particular?

Yeah, I think Iwarri has a break out year this next year..... we have to remember he was probably the youngest player on the squad at only 17 when he started. He got a full dose of FCS football last season, now he knows what to expect. He runs hard. Jury is still out on his hands, but I think that is a confidence thing more than anything. It will be fun to see where he shakes out.

And then there's Seacrest, who should get a very-much-needed red shirt year to grow and mature.

Don't sell short on Gordon, either. He surprised the heck out of me at fall camp and I've heard he's continued to impress coaches throughout the year on scout team.