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I assume it is an AC separation. The Acromio-clavicular joint is at the top of the shoulder and helps stabilize the shoulder. Grade 1 is a minor sprain with no evidence of separation on the xray and no evidence of deformity on exam. Tender at top of shoulder and would hurt to throw. Non-throwers can probably play with that injury but it will hurt when they hit with that shoulder. Grade 2 shows some separation on the xray and there is usualy evidence of a mild deformity at the AC joint (the top of the shoulder at the end of the clavicle). Those hurt when you even lift your arm and usually take 2-4 weeks to feel much better. A grade 3 separation shows a large separation on xray and you see a step off deformity at the AC joint on exam. It is very tender and usually treated with surgery by most Sports Med orthopedic surgeons. Have no idea what Ryan has nor when he could get back. This is different than a shoulder dislocation. He will recover from an AC Grade 1 or 2 sprain pretty quickly and easily back for spring ball if not sooner.

Bartles starts if he is healthy but no reason to bring back too early. Studsrud next up and if it gets out of hand protect Studsrud and let Hanson play. We are going to need to run the ball and hopefully let whomever QB is run some play action. Way too many guys hurt to know what to expect anymore. Great opportunity for guys who have been waiting for their chance to step up.

Read the post. "Those of us......" implies myself included. I have no "skin in the game" with Mollberg. I have seen him play and develop so I may have higher expectations and that would be my bias. He needs to get healthy so why take the shot at him you did?. Seems some are a bit sensitive to anyone questioning those who want to either bench a kid or fire a coach every 2 weeks. Obviously you are someone who agrees with Mussman who felt Bartles was the guy and I'm agreeing with Bubba that Mollberg is the better option. They are both hurt and I hope they both get healthy. So why not let them heal before you cut their "rope". I believe Bubba will play whichever of these guys gives us the best chance to win. I still think the QB's are not the problem. Good job on your FFL and hope you do as well this year.

You miss my point. By definition, Jake Hanson is a D1 QB (he is a QB for UND). I think Sioux fans know his capabilities. Your critical comments about him went beyond what I believe is fair. You also commented more than once trying to make your point. It went beyond that he isn't ready to start. I stood up for the kid and other kids who straps it on and goes to practice everyday competing to the best of their ability. If you feel it is fair to unduly hammer on a kid like you did and there is no rebuttal, the I guess I'm wrong. As for credentials, my opinion about Mollberg is just that. No more important than yours or the guy playing the Tuba. Maybe I just don't like to see a kid who is a scout team QB, bashed repeatedly. If you need my resume you can PC me but I believe it is irrelevant.

Then maybe focus on Studsrud's talents. I agree the decision about Hanson "goes without saying" except you felt it important to say it. Most fans already figured it out. You don't know I have been overly optimistic about Mollberg. You think you do. I don't know how he will continue to develop but I know he has the potential. It wasn't just me, it was Bohl and Vigen who wanted him badly as well as other D1 coaches who saw the potential. I watched him play in HS so I have seen the potential. Obviously you and Mussman weren't quite convinced. Bubba disagreed and so do I. Doesn't mean I'm not realistic but I think I understand the importance of the team play and how that can affect what the QB can do. Mollberg was starting to play much better after the MState game. Bartels and Studsrud both struggled when they played, In fact between them they threw 5 ints. and no TD's the last 2 games. Despite that I think they are both capable. I'm not irrational and I think given protection and a semblance of a running game both Mollberg and Bartels are Big Sky caliber players. Not fair to judge Studsrud yet. I confess, I don't play Madden and I'm not in a fantasy FB league, but we need to get a better supportive cast before you toss anyone under the bus.

Nice cheap shot but if Bartles gets healthy he will be the starter. I believe Bartels return this year is questionable. There are no ropes, long short or otherwise. If Mollberg was healthy he would still be the starter. These coaches are doing everything they can to win and turn the program around and they are playing the kids they think give us the best chance to win every play, every game. The coaches don't ever care about the opinions of those of us whose "body of work" is highlighted by finishing as runner up 2 yrs in a row in our fantasy FB league or play a mean game of Madden. If Studsrud shows he is that guy next spring he will start next fall. If Bartles shows he is the guy he will start. With Mollberg's injury, it changes things. Dan Marino threw for 30 TD's and over 4000 yds the year after his Achilles rupture and surgery. Mollberg's surgery went well. I would not expect him to participate in contact drills, if at all this spring. Hopefully Bartles will be ready for springball.

AF out scored UND for most of game. I didn't think they outplayed us, but I guess if you are down 2-0 you have a point. I thought Sioux worked hard,hustled to puck, outshot AF and most of game was in AF end. Some lack of focus in 1st period especially, but working hard in corners and hustling to puck. I thought we were out of sync. Just struggled to put anything together. I didn't think AF goalie had to make a tough save til halfway through 3 rd period.

Except Studsrud #1 QB, Hanson #2. Good luck to the kid.

As I said on the other thread, Studsrud will start and Hanson is backup. The only question is whether or not Bartels will play again this year. Hopefully whatever his injury, I hope he gets better quickly.

Bubba interviewed sure made it sound like Ryan will play. Hope so.

I would be very surprised if it isn't announced they are pulling Studsrud's redshirt and he starts Sat. Will have to see.

That would be good news and this team needs some good news with regards to injuries. Heard earlier today Bartles might also be done with shoulder injury and Studsrud getting redshirt pulled. Not jconfirmed. Would be good if someone in GF could find out. Would also be good if they didn't have to pull Studrud's redshirt.

Haven't heard what is wrong with Bartels, but expect to have redshirt pulled from Studsrud. Don't know if they will start him but I would expect it or they wouldn't need to pull redshirt. I assume Hanson would be back-up. If they were going to start Hanson, then I thought they could bring Studsrud along and pull redshirt only if they played him. Not sure if any of that has changed, don't keep up. Joe lasted 8 games, Bartels lasted less than 2. They must protect these remaining QB's. Might have to move Labat if anyone else gets hurt. He played QB in HS when Mollberg was hurt.

Estimates, 4 weeks post surgery to walk, 4-6 months to return to regualr activity.

No reason to waste a year of eligibility for fans to see what Stensrud has. I'm pretty sure coaches have a good idea of Stensrud's ability. Maybe if Bartels was also done but not for one game. It would be a tough decision for Bubba. I haven't heard Bartles is hurt other than a poster on this blog "heard a rumor". Hard to know validity.

Don't think any of the teams can be considered comparatively weak to us. I said before the SUU game every game would be a dogfight. The part of the schedule remaining doesn't have teams we shouldn't be able to compete with but you are probably correct in that "weak" isn't best description.

I see info has been released. He has a ruptured Achilles Tendon. Usually 4-6 months to recover. Assume surgery this week. Too bad for Joe. Hope he makes quick recovery.

Hadn't heard Bartels was hurt. Joe is done for season. Would hate to have to pull redshirt on Stensrud for season with no hope for playoffs. I would play Hanson in games where outcome is decided to protect Bartels.

Yup. I would have worded it differently. I would have said we never gave Joe a shot at throwing >40 times in a game. There were no throws or decisions made yesterday that Joe hasn't made, both good and bad. I think Ryan can get the job done but he needs the same thing Joe needed:Time to throw and guys catching the ball, running the right routes and running game capable of keeping a defense honest. Hopefully Joe can recover from this and until he does the job is Ryan's.

My skin in the game is the success of UND FB. It is Bartles job the rest of the season and I hope he develops into an All - American and has a long NFL career. The fact I have defended Mollberg is nothing more or less than my opinion, just like your criticism of Joe all year is your opinion. Your inconsistency in your criticism is what I pointed out. I don't believe our QB's are handcuffed by poor coaching. The defense has been improving. When they started playing well yesterday, and we got back in the game we threw the pick. You would not have blamed that on the coaching or the defense.

Shouldn't be "ripping on Ryan" anyway. He has had plenty of preparation. This is college FB not HS. The experts here don't think practice means much anyway. The point is there is no reason to "rip" on either of these guys but if that is what one does, then if you wish to maintain credibility, then I seem to have missed the undue criticism of Bartles that is reserved for others. Garmin is another example. Give him some room he can be an effective RB. He won't run over people and may not break every arm tackle but some of these same folks who demand a new coach, new QB, new bus driver, whenever we struggled, don't get it. This is a work in progress. At this time, there is no reason to compare anymore cuz Ryan is the guy for the rest of the season. Our line needs to protect him. I think he will do fine given protection, but we need to catch the ball and continue to have some semblance of a running game.

Not sure how much validity there is in your opinion of the QB situation anymore. Where was the scathing criticism of the under thrown, overthrown deep passes the pick 6 thrown that the points were delayed by their penalty that took us out of a game where we were coming back. This was against one of the weakest defenses in the league if not the FCS. Don't make the wind excuse, the other guy completed over 90% of his passes. Had Joe been the QB with the exact same results you and a couple others would have been screaming again. I don't mean this as a criticism of Bartles as much as pointing out that a lot of you folks don't understand the issues with our offense. Mollberg has been getting hammered all season and gets knocked out for the season by another missed block. Until now, he has survived and has been developing into the leader and QB most of us were believing he could. I don't know that Ryan could have taken the same physical beating and lasted this long. Having said that, Bartles is capable and we have teams coming up on the schedule we can beat. Although Bartles struggled yesterday, if he is given time, he can be an effective QB. Receivers need to catch the damn ball no matter how much " zip" it has and they need to run the right routes. The RB's need to hang on to the ball and the oline needs to be more than a speed bump. We need to be patient with Bartles just like we needed patience with Joe. I would also get him out of the game when the outcome is decided to try and keep him healthy to get through the season. Can't have defensive breakdown like yesterday. No excuse. Keys were the unusual decision to take the wind instead of defer decision on opening kickoff, Norberg's fumble on the pitch, failure to make first down on fake punt, Mollberg's injury, first int by Bartles when defense started playing and we had shot at getting back in game and the overall lack of intensity esp by defense. This is game we should have won.