minnesota

[mksioux]

I don't think Dartmouth will play us in football, remember that stupid remark when they scheduled us in hockey? I would add them to the list, of course we would crush them and any other Ivy League school in football.

I'm not aware of a formal policy adopted by Dartmouth, but I agree, I'd be shocked if that school ever schedules UND again in any sport.

[Diggler]

I don't think Dartmouth will play us in football, remember that stupid remark when they scheduled us in hockey? I would add them to the list, of course we would crush them and any other Ivy League school in football.

Yeah, I think we're only talking about teams that actually matter.

[GeauxSioux]

Nicknames? U has its hands full with sports foes

The U's principled policy against playing the Fighting Sioux includes one notable exception: hockey. In hockey, unlike other sports, UND is a big-time Division I school -- in fact a national power, and one of the U's archrivals in the Western Collegiate Hockey Association.

Where hockey is concerned, the U of M "must take its contractual obligations into consideration," says Dan Wolter of U of M media relations.

The Gophers-Fighting Sioux hockey games are some of the biggest of the year, and the U of M makes big bucks from them.

When NDSU comes to town Saturday, the Gophers may demonstrate why it's best not to add more North Dakotans to the schedule.

When you can barely sneak past the Bison, you'd better not mess with the Fighting Sioux.

Athletic Director Joel Maturi can override the advisory committee's decision on the Fighting Sioux, according to Wolter.

Come on, Maturi. You aren't afraid of North Dakota, are you?

Join the conversation at my blog, Think Again, which can be found at www.startribune.com/thinkagain.

Sounds as if Maturi has no spine.

[ScottM]

The Gophers will continue to play other teams with Indian names. In November, the men's basketball team will take on the Central Michigan Chippewas and the Florida State Seminoles. (FSU's mascot is a white guy in full war paint who brandishes a spear on horseback.) In December, the Gophers women's basketball team will meet the Utah Utes.

These schools, unlike UND, have received the blessing of the NCAA to keep their Indian team names.

If/when the NC$$ folds (read: settles) I wonder what Minnesota's response will be.

The Gophers-Fighting Sioux hockey games are some of the biggest of the year, and the U of M makes big bucks from them.

Probably enough to help support the Title IX recipients at Ridder and along the Mississippi, right Professor Hartmann?

And, I agree, Maturi is spineless.

[LB#11]

Nicknames? U has its hands full with sports foes

Sounds as if Maturi has no spine.

Without a doubt, Maturi has no spine. Very good article by Katherine Kersten.

[Chief Illiniwek Supporter]

Please. Your contract probably contains either a liquidated damages clause or a buyout clause or something that has the same effect. You don't want to specifically perform? Pay a certain amount of money and your "contractual obligations" are discharged.

The Gophers-Fighting Sioux hockey games are some of the biggest of the year, and the U of M makes big bucks from them.

This is really the heart of the matter. Dollars first, principles second. Sound like a very, very old profession?

[petey23]

They are absolute hypocrites. This is about the fact that it could kill their recruting in major sports, ie Football and men's and women's basketball. Otherwise why would this be allowed to happen again as it did last season.

From UND website

Sun, Mar 02 Last Chance Meet (M/W) at Minneapolis, Minn.

From Minnesota website

Sun, Mar 02 Gopher-It Invite University Aquatic Center 12:00 PM

Seems that our swim teams are invited and swimming in the Gopher-IT invite???

[johnsowe]

So is she for or against the name?

[PCM]

So is she for or against the name?

If you couldn't tell, maybe you should read this.

[GeauxSioux]

Contrived logo controversy: Give it a rest

The hypocrisy of the NCAA, academics and other limousine liberals seems to be lost on everyone. The Fighting Sioux logo is bad, but the Florida State University Seminole is good.

The University of North Dakota has done so much more for the modern Sioux tribes than FSU has ever done for the remaining Seminoles. Scholarship programs, social support for tribes, medical programs, all directed at improving the lives of Sioux tribal members.

I wish folks could find something really worthy of being upset about.

[LB#11]

Contrived logo controversy...if that doesn't hit the nail on the head.

[ScottM]

Of course the U's "principled" stance on Indian names doesn't apply when a named-Sioux tribe gives it $10M from gambling for its new stadium complex.

Strib

[TC_transplant]

Of course the U's "principled" stance on Indian names doesn't apply when a named-Sioux tribe gives it $10M from gambling for its new stadium complex.

Strib

How are they related? The University stands up for the Sioux tribes in not scheduling teams using them as cartoon mascots while at the same time forming a partnership with the Sioux tribes for $5 million in endowed scholarships. Sounds like the U is standing up for the Sioux tribes in both regards.

[The Sicatoka]

How are they related?

Nickname (no mascot here) related? Eh, maybe, maybe not.

But any Gopher who questioned UND for taking gambling money with strings (think: design and naming rights) to build a stadium is now firmly in hypocrit mode.

And I wonder why one Dakota tribe isn't helping out other members of the Oceti Sakowin (like Standing Rock). Seems the "Mystic Lakers" are more interested in pleasing the wasicu (white man) than helping fellow Nations. Curious.

[Rick]

Of course the U's "principled" stance on Indian names doesn't apply when a named-Sioux tribe gives it $10M from gambling for its new stadium complex.

Strib

I would think that the University of Minnesota's Advisory Committee on Athletics and the NCAA Executive Council would have a problem with this. If it

[ScottM]

How are they related? The University stands up for the Sioux tribes in not scheduling teams using them as cartoon mascots while at the same time forming a partnership with the Sioux tribes for $5 million in endowed scholarships. Sounds like the U is standing up for the Sioux tribes in both regards.

But it's still okay to schedule Central Michigan and Florida State while denouncing UND's name? Don't get a cramp from twisting your "morality" too much.

[Rick]

How are they related? The University stands up for the Sioux tribes in not scheduling teams using them as cartoon mascots while at the same time forming a partnership with the Sioux tribes for $5 million in endowed scholarships. Sounds like the U is standing up for the Sioux tribes in both regards.

So, are you saying.......if a team doesn't have a "cartoon mascot" and is standing up for the Sioux tribes by developing the top Indians into Medicine programs in the country, has educated about 20% of the nations Native American medical doctors, enrolls more NA's than most universities in the country.....are you saying that, if a school has a long history of doing these things, then it's a great university?

[Goon]

How are they related? The University stands up for the Sioux tribes in not scheduling teams using them as cartoon mascots while at the same time forming a partnership with the Sioux tribes for $5 million in endowed scholarships. Sounds like the U is standing up for the Sioux tribes in both regards.

Yeah oh ok.

[PCM]

Sounds like the U is standing up for the Sioux tribes in both regards.

When can we expect Minnesota to stand up for the tribes by dropping the Ski-U-Mah cheer?

[GeauxSioux]

Was it big money that led to Minnesota’s decision?

Interesting timing, given the completion of the deal coincides with the U of M’s Sept. 20 re-affirmation of its earlier decision to not play the University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux in any sport but hockey until UND changes its nickname.

Could it be that big money – not big principle – played a bigger role in that decision than the U of M is letting on?

Of course, that money-talks concept is not lost on UND, either.

After Las Vegas casino owner and UND benefactor Ralph Engelstad donated $104 million to build the world’s nicest ice arena for the Fighting Sioux hockey team, UND and the State Board of Higher Education that oversees the university dug in to defend the nickname. Now embroiled in an NCAA lawsuit over the name, Engelstad’s family is helping to financially back the lawsuit.

But perhaps most noteworthy about the big-money deals behind either university’s marquee arenas is that the outward show of support for Indians is similar.

Can you say hypocrites?

[GeauxSioux]

Tribe uses naming rights with care

Still, I've heard some disparaging remarks about that name - Dakota Mall - because, some say, it carries with it the same problems as the

[ScottM]

Tribe uses naming rights with care

[PCM]

For a state with so many tribes, including the Shakopee and Ojibwa tribes, American Indians have a small representation at the University of Minnesota, with only 274 American Indians among the 33,761 undergraduates on the Twin Cities campus.

Doreen didn't quite get around to mentoning that even though the University of Minnesota has two and a half times the enrollment of UND, it has about 100 fewer American Indian students. You'd think that Gopher logo would really pull them in.

[GeauxSioux]

U policy on UND mascot stands

"The lawsuit does not involve the U of M as a party," he said.

Rotenberg said there's a possibility the court ruling may prompt the University to reconsider its standing policy.

"The outcome of the UND-NCAA litigation will be carefully reviewed by our office," he said.

Rotenberg said the University would look at the future ruling out of respect for NCAA nondiscrimination policies.

"There are circumstances that might arise regarding certain teams or schedules," he said, "where the athletic director might wish to make an exception."

Miller said the Fighting Sioux image is a hurtful appropriation of an identity for the purposes of non-native people.

"That mascot-logo trivializes American Indian history in the Dakotas," Miller said. "You really have to step back and think about what it means on a deeper level."

I guess I will never understand how UND is trivializing American Indian history. If anything it brings it more to the forefront and when done with respect, which is what UND does, can porivde a deeper understanding of the history of the Sioux in North Dakota.

[Riverman]

Doreen didn't quite get around to mentoning that even though the University of Minnesota has two and a half times the enrollment of UND, it has about 100 fewer American Indian students. You'd think that Gopher logo would really pull them in.