GeauxSioux Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Don't take it as my word: http://www400.pair.com/bisonvil/cgi-bin/ya...8003540/180#180 Boy am I stepping into it today. MplsBison, I was trying to say that my hypothesis was probably worth nothing, not your thoughts on Veldman. Maybe I should stop posting until I get caught up on sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND Fan Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 best could be yet to come.....will know as early as friday....maybe Is no news bad news??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted February 3, 2007 Author Share Posted February 3, 2007 Is no news bad news??? I think that is good news....there is still a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 I think that is good news....there is still a chance I am on pins and needles waiting to see who it is and if we get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted February 3, 2007 Author Share Posted February 3, 2007 The young men I'm hoping for to top off this great class are Veldman and Jackson posted above.... Still no final word yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Already confirmed by The Walrus: Van Zee commits to UND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted February 4, 2007 Author Share Posted February 4, 2007 two more....verbals Nick Bylin Adams Edmore H.S. Adams, N.Dakota 6'5" 265 OLine 3 Year Starter- Lots of Potential Domique Hawkins Robinsdale Armstrong H.S., Mpls, Minn. 5' 11" 180 Corner / D Back Great Athlete Have heard nothing on Jackson, or Veldman......yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 two more....verbals Nick Bylin Adams Edmore H.S. Adams, N.Dakota 6'5" 265 OLine 3 Year Starter- Lots of Potential Domique Hawkins Robinsdale Armstrong H.S., Mpls, Minn. 5' 11" 180 Corner / D Back Great Athlete Have heard nothing on Jackson, or Veldman......yet Just a lucky guess on my part. I have no idea to what extent he's being recruited, if at all, but I believe there's a kid from the Adams-Edmore area named Nick Bylin who's about 6'5", 265 lbs., and who's also a good basketball player. I know a lot of coaches like offensive lineman prospects who are athletic enough to play other sports so he might be somebody to watch for on signing day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Here's what somebody familiar with Hawkins had to say about him on another board: A player you might be interested in who visited ND this past weekend is Dominique Hawkins from Armstrong HS. He's being recruited for Corner. Dom only played one game this year, due to a broken foot, but is still being recruited by ND and he will visit Mankato this weekend. He was a 1st team all conference RB as a Junior. Last year in Track he went to State and long jumped 22' and also finished 4th in State as part of the 4X100 meter relay team. He runs a 4.5 40 and has "excellent" ball skills. Great frame at 6'0" 175. His dad played in the NFL as a WR. This spring he will compete for the long jump state title and will be part of what I think will be the State champion 4x100 relay team. That team will have Wisconsin signee David Gilreath(4.38), Kyle Henderson(4.45) recruited by Northern Iowa and several other DII schools, Hawkins and another speedster. They hope to break the state record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 late last nite....verbal Mitch Kudrna Dickinson H.S.-Dickinson,N Dakota 5" 10" 175# DB /CB 1000 yard rusher last season All State Football and Track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 I'm not sure exactly how many scholies are available, although the departing senior class was large so it's probably more than usual. I've heard that this recruiting class will probably be somewhere around 21. In terms of uncommitted North Dakotans, there's Mitch Kudrna from Dickinson, Doug Varty from Williston, Tyson Schatz from Minot and perhaps Nick Bylin from Adams-Edmore, among others. I know Kudrna has visited UND, but may choose to stay close to home and attend Dickinson State. You are very knowledgable UND 92,96....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Kudrna was first team all-state as a db this year, and was all-conference on both offense and defense. He's also one of the top track athletes in the state, and is the defending class A 400m champion. He was also third in the 200m as a junior. It used to seem like UND rarely got Dickinson High players, but have gotten a number of them in recent years (Loegering, Bauer, Ott and Holinka). This class is already larger than I thought it would be. I just hope there's one or two more to come. Apparently Veldman and Jackson are waiting until the last minute to make a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Again, if I believe everything since the last compilation .... Brock Bellmore DL West Fargo, ND Dan Hendrickson LB Minot, ND Drew Daggett WR Frazee, MN Chris Anderson WR Duluth, MN Josh Murray RB Pepin, WI Brent Goska QB/DB Wisconsin Rapids, WI Code Rose QB Elmwood, WI Kris Ankenbauer DB Plano, TX Tru Nguyen LB Burnsville, MN Catlin Solum RB Fargo, ND John Carruth WR Eden Prairie, MN Brandon Quesenberry OL Billings, MT Mike Ebanks DL Hibbing CommColl Matt Simmons OL Racine Park, WI Chris Schann DE Chandler, AZ Deryk Van Zee WR Billings, MT Mitch Goertz LB Everest(?), WI Mark Kubacki LB Stillwater, MN Brad Kelly, LB Coon Rapids, MN Troy Bryant, DB Menomime(sp), WI Nick Bylin, OL Adams, ND Domique Hawkins, DB Minneapolis, MN Mitch Kudrna, DB Dickinson, ND And updating this: In 2006 the signees brief listed 3 specialists, 3 skills, and 13 heavy recruits. In 2005 the signees brief listed 2 specialists, 6 skills, and 17 heavy recruits. In 2004 the signees brief listed 1 specialists, 12 skills, and 8 heavy recruits. In 2007 the verbals so far seem to be 2 specialists, 10 skills, and 11 heavy recruits. * specialists: QB, P, K skills: RB, WR, TE, DB heavy: OL, DL, LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Dang, I thought it was Tuesday. It is Wednesday. Is that "Jeopardy" theme music in the background? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Domique Hawkins Robinsdale Armstrong H.S., Mpls, Minn. 5' 11" 180 Corner / D Back Great Athlete Hawkins' father was drafted by the Patriots in 1992. He was an NAIA all american player at Southwest State. I would assume that the fact that he was injured and missed basically the entire season scared off a lot of schools, but he could turn out to be a steal for UND. He has the size and speed to be a very nice corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 WOW, 23 verbels on a team that offers 36 equivalencies. And I assume you've got a full waiting for Veldman. You must not be offering a lot of these kids much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOONERbeaSIOUXfan Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 WOW, 23 verbels on a team that offers 36 equivalencies. And I assume you've got a full waiting for Veldman. You must not be offering a lot of these kids much? I may be mistaken, but traditionally UND not only spends money on athletes but academic funds are involved for those who have earned it. I would say, based on UND's history with their student-athletes, that many of these young men are receiving more than the athletic scholarship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND Fan Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 I may be mistaken, but traditionally UND not only spends money on athletes but academic funds are involved for those who have earned it. I would say, based on UND's history with their student-athletes, that many of these young men are receiving more than the athletic scholarship. I would guess that, in many cases, athletes were offered partials this year with the promise that they will turn into full rides next year. Plus, we did lose a lot of seniors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOONERbeaSIOUXfan Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 I would guess that, in many cases, athletes were offered partials this year with the promise that they will turn into full rides next year. Plus, we did lose a lot of seniors. As is the case with only 36 scholarships, UND increases a players money as they begin to contribute more. Generally the bulk of the money from athletics comes in the players last 2-3 seasons. I would assume a fair amount of money will be available due to the large number of seniors coming off the books this year but certainly some of it will be distributed to the rest of the current team as well as incoming recruits. It will be interesting to see how many scholarships they will have to work with when they move up after next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 I like the speed of this group, with examples being Ankenbauer, Murray, Hawkins and Ebanks all reportedly running in the 4.5 range for the 40; Kudrna being the defending 400m state champion; Daggett was third in the MN class A 110h in 2006; and Rose was third in the 200m and sixth in the 100m at the WI d3 state track meet last spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 I have heard that recruiting is going much better than UND would have ever anticipated. In this whole transition process this would probably be perceived as the toughest year to rrecruit too. Good job. The future in football looks very bright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikel12503 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Virtually no one at the D-2 level receives a full ride. There are only 36 scholarships available and teams are allowed to carry 85 players on scholarship. That averages out to 42% per scholarship. If you assume that the bulk of the money is invested in your starters and you assume each one of them receives approximately 2/3 of a scholarship, that leaves 21 scholarships to divide between 63 players. That averages out to be 1/3 of a scholarship per player. The problem for UND this year was trying to recruit D-1 players with D-2 money. However, the fact that next year there will be anywhere from 57-63 scholarships available means that the value of the scholarships will go up. 63 divided by 85 averages out to approximately 75% per scholarship. If you were to reward your starters with a full ride, the balance of the scholarships will be worth about 2/3. This will make it much easier to recruit and even this year enticed a few kids who were offered more by other D-2s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
und watcher Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Virtually no one at the D-2 level receives a full ride. There are only 36 scholarships available and teams are allowed to carry 85 players on scholarship. That averages out to 42% per scholarship. If you assume that the bulk of the money is invested in your starters and you assume each one of them receives approximately 2/3 of a scholarship, that leaves 21 scholarships to divide between 63 players. That averages out to be 1/3 of a scholarship per player. The problem for UND this year was trying to recruit D-1 players with D-2 money. However, the fact that next year there will be anywhere from 57-63 scholarships available means that the value of the scholarships will go up. 63 divided by 85 averages out to approximately 75% per scholarship. If you were to reward your starters with a full ride, the balance of the scholarships will be worth about 2/3. This will make it much easier to recruit and even this year enticed a few kids who were offered more by other D-2s. S0 did we get some d-1 talent or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyroyale Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Virtually no one at the D-2 level receives a full ride. There are only 36 scholarships available and teams are allowed to carry 85 players on scholarship. That averages out to 42% per scholarship. If you assume that the bulk of the money is invested in your starters and you assume each one of them receives approximately 2/3 of a scholarship, that leaves 21 scholarships to divide between 63 players. That averages out to be 1/3 of a scholarship per player. The problem for UND this year was trying to recruit D-1 players with D-2 money. However, the fact that next year there will be anywhere from 57-63 scholarships available means that the value of the scholarships will go up. 63 divided by 85 averages out to approximately 75% per scholarship. If you were to reward your starters with a full ride, the balance of the scholarships will be worth about 2/3. This will make it much easier to recruit and even this year enticed a few kids who were offered more by other D-2s. I am curious as to how UND decides to fund the FB team through the transition. I.E.--is a plan in place to fund schollies incrementally or is there funding available to get to 63 right away? I am mostly curious on this one as to how it might affect any future NDSU-UND scheduling. Most NDSU posters, myself included, would prefer to not play the Sioux until at least 2009 or whenever they qualify as a DI "counter" game, whichever comes first. If that's doable in 2008, so be it, but I have my reservations until I see differently. If anybody posting here has info as to what the scholarship ramp-up plan is for UND, it'd be nice to know. Or, at the least, make for good speculation. Does anybody know anything regarding this??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 I've been told (by someone who should know) is that the initial plan* is to jump to 57 FB scholarships right away. The "57" is 90% of 63 which startes the DI-A counter clock --> You have to average 90% of max for three years to count as a DI game if you play a DI-A. Dig deep enough into UND's DI report and you can see it's in there, but you really have to scrub through the numbers. * The corresponding womens scholarships to stay in Title IX complaince are also in that same plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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