AZSIOUX Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I don't see VV leaving early but if he does he will see extended time in Springfield. By the way most guys do not make 100k in the AHL. I mean look at a guy like Danny Irmen who I would say had a better college career than VV. He has not yet sniffed a Wild jersey. yeah 2 way contracts which most draft picks get are around 60-100 in the ahl and then its kicks way up around 450 minimum i believe in the nhl if i remember right. vv is a 4th round pick. many 4th rounders dont see the nhl and some do. some take 3 years and some take a year in the ahl. thats why nhl teams will sign a middle round pick after his junior year to get him in their systema and to see how their pick pans out. there isnt anythng wrong with leaving after your junior year if you aren nhl ready. theres a huge misconception with many college hockey fans that a player needs to be nhl ready in order to leave. thats far from the case and always has been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringDeanBack Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I don't see VV leaving early but if he does he will see extended time in Springfield. By the way most guys do not make 100k in the AHL. I mean look at a guy like Danny Irmen who I would say had a better college career than VV. He has not yet sniffed a Wild jersey. That's kind of what I was getting at. If you feel you only need a year in the AHL, then by all means take the money if it is good. However, if you think it will take several years in the AHL, why not stay the extra year in college. You will still develop, and get to stay with your teamates you have spent the last 2-3 years with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 That's kind of what I was getting at. If you feel you only need a year in the AHL, then by all means take the money if it is good. However, if you think it will take several years in the AHL, why not stay the extra year in college. You will still develop, and get to stay with your teamates you have spent the last 2-3 years with. that is right but also you take the risk of not getting signed by that team that drafted you if you do decide to stay 4 years so if edmonton presents a normal offer he could easily leave and that would be the right move on his part to get in their ahl system asap and play in a much higher level of hockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAR Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 That's kind of what I was getting at. If you feel you only need a year in the AHL, then by all means take the money if it is good. However, if you think it will take several years in the AHL, why not stay the extra year in college. You will still develop, and get to stay with your teamates you have spent the last 2-3 years with. At this point I would say Porter is better suited for the NHL than VV and he is still sitting in Peoria.....I don't see VV leaving early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 At this point I would say Porter is better suited for the NHL than VV and he is still sitting in Peoria.....I don't see VV leaving early i see him staying as well but if edmonton feels like they want him in the AHL next year to see what they have in him then he is gone and thats a very realistic possibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Schwartz Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 theres a huge misconception with many college hockey fans that a player needs to be nhl ready in order to leave. thats far from the case and always has been This is the point I've been trying to get across. It doesn't matter if your NHL ready or not. Are you going to tell me, that if an NHL franchise offers you the rookie maximum contract, your not going to take it even though you know your going to be in the AHL? If you get that max contract, you jump at it. It's all about maximizing your value. I cannot preach how important that is. Look at guys like Bickel, Piskula, etc. guys who won't spend more than a handful of games in the NHL. Guess what, they came out early because they got max contracts and you have no idea if that offer is going to be out there after the next season. You get injured, have a down year, that could cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 This is the point I've been trying to get across. It doesn't matter if your NHL ready or not. Are you going to tell me, that if an NHL franchise offers you the rookie maximum contract, your not going to take it even though you know your going to be in the AHL? If you get that max contract, you jump at it. It's all about maximizing your value. I cannot preach how important that is. Look at guys like Bickel, Piskula, etc. guys who won't spend more than a handful of games in the NHL. Guess what, they came out early because they got max contracts and you have no idea if that offer is going to be out there after the next season. You get injured, have a down year, that could cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars. exactly and thats my point as well. it has nothing to do with being nhl ready as not many players ever are unless you are oshie,toews, kessel and johnson ect..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 exactly> Watch the wjc> That will tell you NHL contract status Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Schwartz Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 exactly> Watch the wjc> That will tell you NHL contract status What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richthorpe Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 So if Forney came back, he would be a Junior? Why would the Sioux want him back, is he that good or something??? They don't owe him anything, right? Is there a past player that this happened to, or would this be a first, not trying to start crap, just very curious... Rich T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxhockeyfan11 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 So if Forney came back, he would be a Junior? Why would the Sioux want him back, is he that good or something??? They don't owe him anything, right? Is there a past player that this happened to, or would this be a first, not trying to start crap, just very curious... Rich T Quinn Fylling..Hockey Profile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richthorpe Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Great Example, thanks... So Forney would be a Jr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejm Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 No, I think he'd still have three years of eligibility remaining, so a sophomore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforce19 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 No, I think he'd still have three years of eligibility remaining, so a sophomore. Gonna have to disagree. He should be a junior. He didn't have a medical redshirt or anything his sophomore year, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 No, I think he'd still have three years of eligibility remaining, so a sophomore. he played 2 years so he will have 2 left starting next season making him a junior. will be great to see him back if so. he will have a new number and a new start and hes playing damn good tied for 13th in the ushl scoring with 37 pts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richthorpe Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 he played 2 years so he will have 2 left starting next season making him a junior I understand all that, I remember some talk on here saying they might consider that one year as a Medical Redshirt... Does UND even have a spot for him if he did want to come back... Watch him go to the "Purple Cows" and smoke us the next 2 years...Is he playing college hockey next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforce19 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I understand all that, I remember some talk on here saying they might consider that one year as a Medical Redshirt... Does UND even have a spot for him if he did want to come back... Watch him go to the "Purple Cows" and smoke us the next 2 years...Is he playing college hockey next season? If I remember reading right, I read somewhere that he was actually somewhat healthy his sophomore year but the injuries he had previously held him back so I really can't see that a medical redshirt would work there. Forney has said nothing's been final yet but he hopes to be back at UND. Heisenberg has him listed as returning to UND though. UND would have room as there are a few forward recruits that could wait to come in. We shall see what develops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richthorpe Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 If I remember reading right, I read somewhere that he was actually somewhat healthy his sophomore year but the injuries he had previously held him back so I really can't see that a medical redshirt would work there. Forney has said nothing's been final yet but he hopes to be back at UND. Heisenberg has him listed as returning to UND though. UND would have room as there are a few forward recruits that could wait to come in. We shall see what develops. Thanks, this could be good info to follow...Is he a Watkins type player or more of a Martens? Rich T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I understand all that, I remember some talk on here saying they might consider that one year as a Medical Redshirt... Does UND even have a spot for him if he did want to come back... Watch him go to the "Purple Cows" and smoke us the next 2 years...Is he playing college hockey next season? yes it was mentioned in brads blog he should be coming back next year a few weeks back and yes there is room if he does they never mentioned they redshirted him at all and im sure we would have heard if he did so since we didnt he should have 2 years left as he played 2 years with the sioux. would be great to see him come back and be a nice contributor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Thanks, this could be good info to follow...Is he a Watkins type player or more of a Martens? Rich T i would say neither of those 2 players. i believe hes much more of a offensive player than both of those players if we see his true potential. taller forward with good skill. not sure who i would compare him to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxhockeyfan11 Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 A college athlete has 5 years to use up 4 years of eligibilty. According to Rule 14.2.1 Not sure if it pertains to college hockey but a player can get a sixth year if their medical injury that they redshirted for extended over multiple seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richthorpe Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 i would say neither of those 2 players. i believe hes much more of a offensive player than both of those players if we see his true potential. taller forward with good skill. not sure who i would compare him to Sounds good, sounds good...Someone needs to take Uncle Andy Kozek's job warming up Eidsness the next few years, why not Forney... Would his return start back up the "Me so Forney" sign's at the Ralph??? Or was that for Chorney??? Rich T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Sounds good, sounds good...Someone needs to take Uncle Andy Kozek's job warming up Eidsness the next few years, why not Forney... Would his return start back up the "Me so Forney" sign's at the Ralph??? Or was that for Chorney??? Rich T it was chorney but it easily could switch with the resurgence of forney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Thanks, this could be good info to follow...Is he a Watkins type player or more of a Martens? Rich T I think there is a good chance he will be more offensive than those two players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodbuster Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 A couple of guys who left for a year and came back to have decent seasons were Tony Hrkac and, I believe, Teeder Wynne ( or was it Jeff McClean). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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