UND at NDSU 1/25/25

[gfhockey]

1 hour ago, Hans8891 said:

Correction.  46 fouls called…

How many on us vs them

[Kab]

26 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

How many on us vs them

23 fouls each team

und missed 14 FT and they missed 10 

[Hans8891]

There were a few bad calls each way.  The game just didn’t have much flow.  There was a bad no call at the end of the game when Trey drove in down3 and got crunched that was tough when every touch had been called before that.  But overall it was just a whistle happy game…

[Kab]

When UND players drive the baseline and end up under the basket with no place to go and try dumb passes, how many time does that work?

who is teaching that ? 

[Hans8891]

I actually disagree with that.  Some of the best outside looks yesterday came with beating the defender base line, forcing the help side up and getting it across to the weak side. The 4 point play of Trey at the end of the half came from Eli beating his man baseline and swinging it weak side to the top where Trey got a great look. Certainly you need to recognize what is happening and avoid getting trapped but when you force defensive movement, I would much prefer that than continuous dribbling at the perimeter with no creation.

[Hans8891]

Looking back at it, Eli’s pass wasn’t on the 4 point play.  Trey just had a step back on that one, but Eli did have a pass out to the left side top for Trey off a base line slash that was a beautiful pass for an open look.

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 hours ago, Kab said:

When UND players drive the baseline and end up under the basket with no place to go and try dumb passes, how many time does that work?

who is teaching that ? 

like that possession late in the game against sodak where pnanaon just dribbled and dribbled and finally was literally right under the basket......i think he turned it over or had a 3 second call....weirdest possession i've seen in while...or ever.

[GoodGood]

8 hours ago, Hans8891 said:

There were some positives yesterday.  Reggie played his best game at UND.  Cut down on turnovers.  Played good perimeter defense- most of the time -  and didn’t get sucked down low very often where his size is simply not going to be effective.  Mara really is getting better, although he still tends to find himself out of position at times, not really knowing where to go in a team offensive or defensive scheme.  No doubt about his athleticism.  When we moved the ball, which we did a good chunk of the game, we got decent looks and shot reasonably well - which is why we stayed in this one.  When we got back into the Panoam and Eaglestaff dribbling show, that was typically when we went back down by 10.  Our team defense is just atrocious game after game.  That is what it is and the coaches don’t seem to have any ability or desire to change it.  NDSU moves the ball well and they have outside shooters, which is a bad recipe for a team that doesn’t know to rotate defensively and has a very bad habit of leaving people wide open at the 3.   I was scared going into this we were going to give up 100 given how many 3s they take and our horrific perimeter defense so was at least a little pleasantly surprised.    I am.a little surprised on the comments on here about Eli and defense.  He has made some defensive mistakes and is sometimes making bad decisions being overly aggressive, but most of his mistakes come from trying to help out someone else’s defensive mistakes.  He ends up coming help side all of the time to help someone who gets it handed to them on penetration.  he makes more things happen defensively than anyone else on the floor by a mile.  He is hands down our best off ball help side defensive player and his ability to help out on the boards was a game changer yesterday.  He had 13 board from a guard position yesterday.  If there is criticism to be made of Eli, it is getting him to do more offensively.  He makes great drives to the basket but just has not been able to finish for some reason this year..   Amer has had trouble finishing this year as well, compared to last year.  I went to the game.  It was definitely officiated differently than what we have seen in Grand Forks.  The Omaha game in Grand Forks was a football game.  This was touch fouls everywhere.  43 fouls called and 68 free throws shot. Deng and Mara both had 4 fouls 2 minutes into the second half.  Some of them were just stupid fouls, but a lot of them were just overly quick whistles in my opinion..  Panoam and Mara fouled out.  Deng and Eli playing with 4.   They called it tight everywhere, but there was not a flow to the game with all of the whistles  As noted by others, we hit anything closer to a reasonable free throw percentage and we win this game.  Most of the game, our free throw shooting percentage was in the 50’s.  There is just no reason why D1 basketball players should have that much difficulty at the line.

Not hating on Eli but he had expectations of being conference defensive player of the year and he has not lived up to them. IMO his on ball defense has slipped and he’s not creating havoc off the ball like he was. I think it was Utah Valley at home where he completely dominated the game defensively. We need that every night. Maybe everyone else’s defense is so bad that his presence can’t be felt like that but we need it

[F'n Hawks]

Just now, GoodGood said:

Not hating on Eli but he had expectations of being conference defensive player of the year and he has not lived up to them. IMO his on ball defense has slipped and he’s not creating havoc off the ball like he was. I think it was Utah Valley at home where he completely dominated the game defensively. We need that every night. Maybe everyone else’s defense is so bad that his presence can’t be felt like that but we need it

That’s a part of it IMO. Nobody seems bought in at all. Agree with you though, if he isn’t providing the same defensive value that he did last year then he needs to play less minutes.

[UND1983]

But at least Sather is having a fun time and keeping things light by laughing constantly on the sideline.  So cool of him

[GoodGood]

4 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

But at least Sather is having a fun time and keeping things light by laughing constantly on the sideline.  So cool of him

Everything’s funny when you’re not worried about wins and losses