sioux24/7 Posted Thursday at 02:54 AM Posted Thursday at 02:54 AM 35 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: Welcome to recruiting high level kids. This is a good thing. We need to learn to keep guys with tons of offers. I mean I love getting kids with tons of offers but I don’t love seeing my kids that are “committed” still touting new offers. I get it though, it’s the way it is. Quote
UND-FB-FAN Posted Thursday at 02:19 PM Posted Thursday at 02:19 PM 12 hours ago, sioux24/7 said: Don’t love seeing this. The Missouri Valley Football Conference (MVFC) - despite being FCS - is an on par if not better conference than the “FBS” Mid-American Conference (MAC). Who wants to play on Tuesday nights? What a joke Who wants to go 7-5 and play in the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl versus playing playoff football and competing for a national championship in January? Everyone keeps recruiting and commitments don’t mean much anymore, but UND football is certainly the same level as these MAC schools … Would hope the prospective student-athletes can see that. Many already have (look at the list, folks). Ultimately, recruiting never stops … 2 Quote
NDRA Posted Thursday at 08:06 PM Posted Thursday at 08:06 PM 5 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said: The Missouri Valley Football Conference (MVFC) - despite being FCS - is an on par if not better conference than the “FBS” Mid-American Conference (MAC). Who wants to play on Tuesday nights? What a joke Who wants to go 7-5 and play in the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl versus playing playoff football and competing for a national championship in January? Everyone keeps recruiting and commitments don’t mean much anymore, but UND football is certainly the same level as these MAC schools … Would hope the prospective student-athletes can see that. Many already have (look at the list, folks). Ultimately, recruiting never stops … Not according to Sagarin. By their numbers the SUs and USD are in upper MAC category. In fact both SUs would be at the very top, after that the other MVFC teams would be in the bottom half of the MAC. Of course those are last yrs numbers, but I think those numbers would be fairly consistent each year as to the top of each conference. Quote
UND-FB-FAN Posted yesterday at 04:59 AM Posted yesterday at 04:59 AM 8 hours ago, NDRA said: Not according to Sagarin. By their numbers the SUs and USD are in upper MAC category. In fact both SUs would be at the very top, after that the other MVFC teams would be in the bottom half of the MAC. Of course those are last yrs numbers, but I think those numbers would be fairly consistent each year as to the top of each conference. Right, because positioning never changes in college football? There’s been more movement of late than your comments suggest. The Sagarin figures prove my point. The top 3 programs in the MVFC *in 2024* are upper MAC category… and now here comes the ascension of UND football right on cue. The Dakota schools (all four of them) are “upper MAC category”. MVFC is just as good as the MAC. C’mon @NDRA you trying too hard. Ultimately, some won’t be satisfied until the proof is in the pudding. That’s fine … eventually you’ll see. Quote
NDRA Posted yesterday at 01:38 PM Posted yesterday at 01:38 PM 8 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Right, because positioning never changes in college football? There’s been more movement of late than your comments suggest. The Sagarin figures prove my point. The top 3 programs in the MVFC *in 2024* are upper MAC category… and now here comes the ascension of UND football right on cue. The Dakota schools (all four of them) are “upper MAC category”. MVFC is just as good as the MAC. C’mon @NDRA you trying too hard. Ultimately, some won’t be satisfied until the proof is in the pudding. That’s fine … eventually you’ll see. Quick search shows 60 MAC players in NFL. 31 MVFC, pretty much 2 to 1. 8 MAC schools above UND in last yrs final rankings. Quote
UND-FB-FAN Posted yesterday at 02:28 PM Posted yesterday at 02:28 PM 53 minutes ago, NDRA said: Quick search shows 60 MAC players in NFL. 31 MVFC, pretty much 2 to 1. 8 MAC schools above UND in last yrs final rankings. NFL players is a single metric that does not always indicate collegiate team success. I will say, the bottom teams in the MVFC are a lot worse than the bottom teams in the MAC, so that also skews those numbers you provided. The top teams in the MVFC - as you already stated - are better than the top teams in the MAC. 2025 UND (and beyond) will join the other 3 Dakota schools as that elite MVFC group that compares to the top of MAC. Why care about 2024 UND rankings?… as the 2024 UND team was a disaster and a very low bar given they had a losing record, lost 5 in a row, AND now have entirely new facilities, coaches, NIL initiatives, and even many new players. It’s apples to oranges comparing 2024 UND to 2025 UND football. But, keep cherry picking stats to prove your faulty argument… rather than @NDRA you should be the MAC-MAN or something catchy like that. Ultimately, I don’t buy it in the slightest that the MAC is better than the MVFC, especially when factoring in the quality of play and football investment within the Dakotas. Also, head to head (MVFC vs MAC) play means something also … Quote
NDRA Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 10 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said: NFL players is a single metric that does not always indicate collegiate team success. I will say, the bottom teams in the MVFC are a lot worse than the bottom teams in the MAC, so that also skews those numbers you provided. The top teams in the MVFC - as you already stated - are better than the top teams in the MAC. 2025 UND (and beyond) will join the other 3 Dakota schools as that elite MVFC group that compares to the top of MAC. Why care about 2024 UND rankings?… as the 2024 UND team was a disaster and a very low bar given they had a losing record, lost 5 in a row, AND now have entirely new facilities, coaches, NIL initiatives, and even many new players. It’s apples to oranges comparing 2024 UND to 2025 UND football. But, keep cherry picking stats to prove your faulty argument… rather than @NDRA you should be the MAC-MAN or something catchy like that. Ultimately, I don’t buy it in the slightest that the MAC is better than the MVFC, especially when factoring in the quality of play and football investment within the Dakotas. Also, head to head (MVFC vs MAC) play means something also … Lets both come back and visit this post at the end of 25 season. I'll be happy to be wrong. Quote
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